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Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by Xylakant »

ACCount37 wrote: post #135
littlecranky67 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's kind of irrelevant, this technology is meant to be safer and held to a higher standard I don't think that is the case. We will judge FSD whether you make more or less accidents than humans, not necessarily in the same situations. The computer is allowed to make mistakes that a human wouldn't, if in reverse the computer makes a lot less mistakes in situations where humans would. Given that >90% of accidents a…

That's the main advantage self-driving has over humans now. A self-driving car of today still underperforms the top of the line human driver - but it sure outperforms the "0.1% worst case": the dumbest most inebriated sleep deprived and distracted reckless driver that's responsible for the vast majority of severe road accidents. Statistics show it plain and clear: self-driving cars already get into less accidents tha…

The statistics on this are much less clear than Tesla would like us to believe. There's a lot of confounding factors, among them the fact that the autonomous driver can decide to hand over things to a human the moment things get hairy. The subsequent crash then gets credited to human error.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by quickthrowman »

foobarian wrote: post #159
tptacek wrote: post #125

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Humans routinely drive from LA to NYC without wrecking their cars. In fact, that's the normal outcome.

I've been driving on local and highway roads for 30 years now and I have never come across a piece of debris so large that driving over it would damage my car. Seeing that video, I don't have high confidence that I would have dodged that hazard - maybe 70% sure? The thing is, usually there is plenty of traffic ahead that acts very obviously different in situations like this that helps as well. All that to say that I…

You’ve been driving for 30 years and have never seen a semi truck tire in the middle of the road after it ripped off the rim of a truck?

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by dmix »

zzzeek wrote: post #130

I rant about Elon a lot but can someone just explain to me how this keeps going on ? FSD is almost completely a solved problem by the likes of Waymo etc. Why does anyone care what Tesla is failing to do with FSD? Is this all about, "how can we invent FSD without lidar"? Why are we bothering, because cybertruck owners don't want a dorky box on top of their truck? Does their truck already not look ridiculous?

It's almost entirely a product/economic gamble. Basically:

"How do we get self-driving into millions of regular consumer cars without doubling the price by adding expensive sensors and redesigning the vehicle around huge chunky sensors"

Waymo is focused on Taxis for a reason because it's likely going to be unaffordable, except to people driving Lambos. But that also may be fine for a big chunk of the public who don't want to own cars (or want to rent their own as a service).

Some consumer car companies are experimenting with adding smaller LIDAR sensors like recent Volvo Ex90 which costs ~$100k. But they aren't as sophisticated as Waymo

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by jve »

thefourthchime wrote: post #8

I use Tesla FSD 99% of the time. I recently drove from Austin to Florida and back. The only time I had to take over was for road debris on the highway. Off the highway it’s very good about avoiding it. My guess is Tesla has not been focusing on this issue as it's not needed for robotaxi for phase one.

A 99% reliability is no reliability. So per 100km I should expect 1 issue? Like multiple per week? FSD has to be much better than that to be trustworthy.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by panick21_ »

lm28469 wrote: post #170
panick21_ wrote: post #154

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Overall SpaceX is incredibly successful and Tesla is still reasonable successful. So money overall is hardly thrown away.

Success being defined here as "something that makes numbers go up in some capacity"

Well in the same measure of success that we use for every company.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by disiplus »

carlmr wrote: post #92
zwaps wrote: post #79

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Why are Dutch or Swiss highways so much more pristine than French and German ones? Have you compared distances?

German ones are still way way cleaner than US highways. Germany is also the country with the most traffic because it's kind of at the center of everything and pays roads with income tax instead of tolls. The French charge really high tolls and have very little traffic compared to Germany. They really don't have an excuse.

in germany trucks pay tolls for highways. Also all the gas is taxed and it goes into the federal budget that is then used to finance highways, so i would say everybody filling up is financing highways.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

tokioyoyo wrote: post #126
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #117

One of my biggest criticisms of Elon is that he rarely takes accountability for his words and nobody ever holds him accountable by asking directly. This isn't a high bar to clear, but some people continuously excuse him as being "overly-eager" in his predictions. If that was the case, he could still provide reasonable updates when a predicted date is missed along with an explanation, even if it's just: "Hey, it turns…

In America, you fail the second you apologize or take accountability. Ignoring criticism and deflecting all the time gets you further, as it is part of the game. Unfortunately, this is just an accepted social science-y thing at this point. It is a very much cultural thing of the past couple of decades.

Machiavellian

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by organsnyder »

tokioyoyo wrote: post #126
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #117

One of my biggest criticisms of Elon is that he rarely takes accountability for his words and nobody ever holds him accountable by asking directly. This isn't a high bar to clear, but some people continuously excuse him as being "overly-eager" in his predictions. If that was the case, he could still provide reasonable updates when a predicted date is missed along with an explanation, even if it's just: "Hey, it turns…

In America, you fail the second you apologize or take accountability. Ignoring criticism and deflecting all the time gets you further, as it is part of the game. Unfortunately, this is just an accepted social science-y thing at this point. It is a very much cultural thing of the past couple of decades.

Then we need to change that. Those with power are best-equipped to effect that change.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by ActionHank »

amelius wrote: post #144
tokioyoyo wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In America, you fail the second you apologize or take accountability. Ignoring criticism and deflecting all the time gets you further, as it is part of the game. Unfortunately, this is just an accepted social science-y thing at this point. It is a very much cultural thing of the past couple of decades.

Isn't the case in engineering cultures, like Boeing before they changed into a business culture.

Is there any engineering culture left in the US?

I feel like this is the case across the board.

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Post by thinkingtoilet »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #117

One of my biggest criticisms of Elon is that he rarely takes accountability for his words and nobody ever holds him accountable by asking directly. This isn't a high bar to clear, but some people continuously excuse him as being "overly-eager" in his predictions. If that was the case, he could still provide reasonable updates when a predicted date is missed along with an explanation, even if it's just: "Hey, it turns…

He's a psychopath, in the sense he doesn't feel normal emotions like remorse and empathy. He will lie to your face to get you to buy his product and when it fails to deliver on promises he will lie again.
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