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Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

#191
I'm not American, but with how many software engineers having gotten laid off over the last 4 years, reducing foreign workers competing for the same positions should be a given from the perspective of governing a nation.

I'm surprised how divisive such a decision seems to be considering our current reality of a contracting industry (employment wise)

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

#192

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This is absolutely a mean AF law. This is pure Trump in his element with no depth of thought. However Big Tech does not care about your feelings, there are two realistic options. To send you back where you came from (severance). To send you somewhere where you have the ability to keep doing what your doing. Some may fork out the fee for a year for exceptional staff, thats about it. Anyway, forget the tech sector. The…

Yes, from the US economy's point of view this is a massive own goal. But I'm far more concerned with the people affected than with the US economy or the companies. Having to re-schedule your life on a 48 hour notice is a very hard problem in logistics, finances and various paper tigers. I'd focus on personal safety first and sort out the details bit-by-bit, the one thing I would not do is to try to get back in to the…

There is ONLY one solution - get back to America tonight, sort out the logistics afterwards.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

#193
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This is not what functioning bureaucracy in a functioning democracy looks like.

H1Bs are slave labor and the program is used primarily by sweat shop consultancies who pay them less than Americans. This will be incredible for Americans looking for work. They don't have to compete with artificially cheap workers.

> This will be incredible for Americans looking for work.

No, it won’t, jobs (especially local jobs) aren’t a fixed commodity that are going to get filled. This will kill jobs overall, and result in more of the jobs (including jobs that didn't take H-1Bs to fill but were associated with businesses that had such positions) that remain being outside of the US as a direct result, and those direct US job losses will knock-on effects that will kill even more US jobs.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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post #191

I'm not American, but with how many software engineers having gotten laid off over the last 4 years, reducing foreign workers competing for the same positions should be a given from the perspective of governing a nation. I'm surprised how divisive such a decision seems to be considering our current reality of a contracting industry (employment wise)

> but with how many software engineers having gotten laid off over the last 4 years

And how many times have we heard that you can’t time the market

Can you call the bottom ?

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

#195

It was nighttime in Singapore when the ruling was announced. My husband and I scrambled to find a flight back. The best we could find, at any price, lands 25mins after the deadline. We are on our way there.

i understand playing safe with this administration, but why? h1b requires that one company signed as responsible sponsor on form i129. they are the ones on the line for the payment.

> they are the ones on the line for the payment.

And they decide if you keep your job.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

#196

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The democracy stopped functioning a while ago, this is just the bills being presented.

You’re using the term “democracy” in an Orwellian way. The people voted for the guy who promised mass deportations. There were signs and everything. Multiple surveys have found that, if everyone had voted, he would have won by an even larger margin. https://www.npr.org/2025/06/26/nx-s1-5447450/trump-2024-elec... A non-functioning democracy would be if the people voted this way and mass deportations didn’t happen. Lik…

I propose a new form of government. I call it "liberal democracy". The gist is that when liberals are in power they make sure that fascist never get in power again. (So it's not a democracy, only in name.) E.g. they can make fascism illegal, and don't allow them to run for seats. This has the following advantages:

Over democracy: no danger for it to swing into fascism or autocracy.

Over autocracy: bad governments can be replaced.

Additionally, in practice, it should feel the same that we were having for ages when liberal parties were on power. (Proof?)

Probably this is the mythical "better than democracy" form of government that we are all waiting for?

Thoughts?

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

#197

It was nighttime in Singapore when the ruling was announced. My husband and I scrambled to find a flight back. The best we could find, at any price, lands 25mins after the deadline. We are on our way there.

I feel for you. I just wonder, at this point why would someone look to go back to the US "At any price", given how bad are they being treated? From what I can see, it seems most of us non-US people are "persona non grata" in the US.

I myself am and live in a so called "shithole country ". But specially because of my Technical skills, I've got plenty of opportunities over here. I would never think on living in the USA. Even though I easily could via TN visa. But it's clear US people dont want me living there.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Have you ever worked for a large corporation? Do you think there’s an intranet website where you can just go click on the “Send $100k Wire Now” button? It’s going to take a long time while Microsoft figures out if they will actually pay these fees and which budget it should come out of. Meanwhile, if you didn’t return by Sunday, you’re locked out of the country and unable to show up for work which will result in your…

> Meanwhile, if you didn’t return by Sunday, you’re locked out of the country and unable to show up for work which will result in your termination fairly soon. I’m actually curious, have you worked at a large corporation before? It would be atypical for the scenario you are describing to occur given that there has been a US government policy change that’s of no fault of the employee who is still eligible to work in t…

The issue is less "I guess he is fired."

The issue is "my kids are at home in the US and I can't get home to take care of them because of this sudden policy that nobody knows how to navigate."

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

#199
This is such bad policy making. Its like using a cannon to kill a mosquito. And for a party which idolizes the founding fathers these people seem to have forgotten the lesson from Benjamin Franklin. They went from letting 100 criminals go than make 1 person suffer to punishing 100 criminals to full extent of the law and then justify the action if 1 innocent is presented. End justify the means.

And for anyone who is supporting this - Sorry to burst your bubble but just like everything done by this admin so far it is not going to tide over the American job problem.

First, Secretary of Homeland Security has a discretion. It means companies can graft/lobby him to get exception. Maybe shops like Infosys might not get one but Tesla can get one under the garb of supporting American manufacturing.

Second, companies are going to find ways to get that exception. Consulting shops can always open a subsidiary with all American front and lobby for exception.

Third, consulting shops can always bill their customers - maybe partial amounts - that is American companies. Or they can encourage to offshore even more. "You can now save $X + 100k if you offshore".

So and so forth. You need a thoughtful policy not a blunt instrument like this.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

#200

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You’re using the term “democracy” in an Orwellian way. The people voted for the guy who promised mass deportations. There were signs and everything. Multiple surveys have found that, if everyone had voted, he would have won by an even larger margin. https://www.npr.org/2025/06/26/nx-s1-5447450/trump-2024-elec... A non-functioning democracy would be if the people voted this way and mass deportations didn’t happen. Lik…

When 51% of the eligible voters voters cast their votes to genocide the remaining 49% percent of eligible voters (which is not what happened of course), it doesn't matter whether genocide actually happens or not to determine that it's not in fact a functioning democracy. It sounds like a contradiction, but it's not, because the critique of a democratic society doesn't have to be limited to a decision process that lea…

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