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Post by the_gastropod »

mperham wrote: post #99
mijoharas wrote: post #92

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> The unstated reason for this change was that many of the existing Rubygems maintainers have recently quit (including their only full-time engineer) due to their continued relationship with DHH. Can someone expand on what this means? Is it a continued relationship between Ruby Central and DHH, or the maintainers and DHH? Why does the other party have a problem with that? EDIT: It seems the post was clarified since I…

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While it's jarring to see someone call DHH a "white supremacist", the shoe fits. In that blog post he laments that London is "no longer full of native Brits" (what does that even mean? It's clear by the numbers he gives that he's counting "white people born in Britain") and frames demographic change as a "nightmare". That isn't neutral nostalgia (something he's claimed he doesn't have: https://world.hey.com/dhh/legacy-without-nostalgia-b19708c9) it's the same ethno-nationalist logic as "America for Americans", that old KKK slogan. When you argue that a city (especially one that's always been a multi-cultural hub) becoming less white is inherently a loss, you're not just being contrarian. You're espousing a white-supremacist worldview.

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by dismalaf »

jaredcwhite wrote: post #186
dismalaf wrote: post #143

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> mention a maintainer in violation of CoC. Is he a Ruby maintainer? First I've heard of this... > know plenty of Rubyists in Europe who these days find DHH as a person to be completely odious Different circles I guess. I live in Europe half the year and most of the Europeans I know are way more right wing than DHH...

IMHO he violated the CoC of the Turbo project. FWIW, I'm by no means a TypeScript guy so I was even sympathetic to his general ideas on that topic. But his handling of it was terrible.

?? Isn't Turbo his own project? Also in the previous comment you mentioned Ruby CoC which has nothing to do with any project that's not the Ruby interpreter/project itself...

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by mrinterweb »

downrightmike wrote: post #120
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #47

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Totally reads like post-facto CYA. they could have communicated this to the maintainers internally beforehand instead of blindsiding them.

The NPM breach was an email that stated the dev needed to update their MFA by the next day in order to keep their access. If you're arguing that is what ruby central should have done, that's a social engineering attack.

How would a heads up email look like a phishing email? Blindsiding the maintainers like this is just cruel.

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by GuinansEyebrows »

wild_egg wrote: post #127
mijoharas wrote: post #108

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In the linked article, DHH links out to a wikipedia article titled "Ethnic groups in London"[0]. He then uses a statistic that "only a third" are native brits in 2021, which roughly lines up with the "White British" line in the chart. You can argue that "white supremecist" is a charged and problematic term, but I'd say that "Here he complains about too many brown people in London." is a fairly accurate representation…

No dog in this race but, as an outsider, it's always seemed really odd that some countries (Japan sticks out) are allowed to prioritize cultural preservation but European countries are not.

> it's always seemed really odd that some countries (Japan sticks out) are allowed to prioritize cultural preservation

can we clarify... by whom? just kidding :) whether a country is "allowed" to do something is probably a red herring.

spitballing here, i think folks who engage in criticism of ethnonationalism are most likely to criticize the ethnonationalism they see close to home, as opposed to what might be happening on the other side of the planet.

there are valid critiques of japan's treatment of its nondominant ethnicities, and lots of anecdotal experiences covering the same, but it's a lot easier to discuss the nuances of an issue like this when you're more intimately familiar with the culture and sociopolitical history of a region.

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

krmbzds wrote: post #165
the_hangman wrote: post #135

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It's been a while but if memory serves me correctly the controversy at that time was actually about him unilaterally deciding that people at basecamp shouldn't be talking about politics in off-topic slack channels after people started trying to organize support for something he didn't agree with. IIRC something like 1/3 of the company quit at that time

Am I the only one who feels like discussing politics at work is inappropriate? While I'm not apolitical, I appreciate having a space where the constant bombardment of politics is momentarily absent. It's refreshing to focus on work without the need for political discourse.

No, you're not the only one. I think work should be a politics-free zone. We are there to get stuff done, not argue and hate each other.

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Post by mort96 »

gizzlon wrote: post #175
arccy wrote: post #166

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what do those things have to do with Ruby? whereas DHH has a clear link

Nothing, I'll give you that. It's just frustrating to see so little action taken against those with actual power who are doing quite horrible stuff

And what exactly do you want the RubyGems maintainers to do about the rise of fascism in the USA..?

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

cogman10 wrote: post #141
15155 wrote: post #111

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Don't write long blog posts about how your country doesn't have enough white people (and should start deporting brown people) and you won't be called a white supremist. Pretty simple.

Or maybe don't call someone names corresponding to behavior that they haven't endorsed.

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Post by 15155 »

cogman10 wrote: post #141
15155 wrote: post #111

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Don't write long blog posts about how your country doesn't have enough white people (and should start deporting brown people) and you won't be called a white supremist. Pretty simple.

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