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Re: American Prairie unlocks another 70k acres in Montana

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Post by potato3732842 »

gnarcoregrizz wrote: post #131
polairscience wrote: post #60

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This is so false I can't even begin to describe it. And I say this as someone who nearly daily wanders around National Forest near his house. First, why would it hurt to codify land access in a clearer way. And second. There are continuous battles with private landowners of where and how to access the public lands that you claim mean we don't need traditional paths or easements. See the recent Wyoming corning crossin…

Yeah same thing happens around here. A dude here bought some land which surrounded an old popular access road to Cleveland national forest (socal), and promptly put a gate up... For a while it was the only convenient way to drive into the mountains from riverside county. Alternative routes were either closed from fires, closed to vehicles, or located on the other side of the mountain range. Lots of Facebook drama bet…

I don't get why people do those sorts of things. If you own land your #1 enemy is the government. In that situation it behooves you to do things to endear yourself to the community, your neighbors, etc.

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Post by yencabulator »

ericmay wrote: post #188
wood_spirit wrote: post #179

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Sweden has the right to roam on privately owned nature property but it is trumped by exceptions for crops and the right to privacy at home. So it’s not ok - and not done - to walk in peoples yards etc. The rules are well taught at schools and well explained for tourists and it just works nicely.

In the United States at least we don't really have privately owned nature property like you might in Sweden. I live in Ohio for example, there's nothing to go see or look at. We have no need for the right to roam. What are you going to do, roam through a cornfield? A parking lot? The woods? The mall? Well you can already do that. We have state parks, local parks, national parks, etc. to get your nature fix and it wor…

The article is literally about how privately owned landed blocked roaming public lands. You came across very American, for sure.

Re: American Prairie unlocks another 70k acres in Montana

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Post by ericmay »

yencabulator wrote: post #192
ericmay wrote: post #188

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In the United States at least we don't really have privately owned nature property like you might in Sweden. I live in Ohio for example, there's nothing to go see or look at. We have no need for the right to roam. What are you going to do, roam through a cornfield? A parking lot? The woods? The mall? Well you can already do that. We have state parks, local parks, national parks, etc. to get your nature fix and it wor…

The article is literally about how privately owned landed blocked roaming public lands. You came across very American, for sure.

Yea but the discussion happening in this thread was about something else. If you don't want to participate that's fine but please don't derail ongoing discussions.

You come across very Italian, for sure. I guess? :)

Re: American Prairie unlocks another 70k acres in Montana

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Post by sidewndr46 »

mothballed wrote: post #18
sidewndr46 wrote: post #8

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I thought that weird 'corner crossing' case or whatever with the hunters had rendered this sort of thing impossible? Is that not correct?

I think the corner crossing basically said that the owners of corner-corner can't claim the 'airspace' exactly at the corner and there is more or less a de facto low-airspace easement at the corner. I'm not sure that it created any sort of ground easement. It basically allows you to 'hop' from one quadrant to the cross quadrant without touching the other two quadrants of the corner. The guy in that case used a ladder…

I still don't really understand this. If I own 2/4 grid squares in a checkerboard, can't I go in and put some tall fences on the "corners" of my property. Maybe the two fences are physically joined. But my fences are 16 ft tall, how are you going to put a ladder over that?

Re: American Prairie unlocks another 70k acres in Montana

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Post by mothballed »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #194
mothballed wrote: post #18

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I think the corner crossing basically said that the owners of corner-corner can't claim the 'airspace' exactly at the corner and there is more or less a de facto low-airspace easement at the corner. I'm not sure that it created any sort of ground easement. It basically allows you to 'hop' from one quadrant to the cross quadrant without touching the other two quadrants of the corner. The guy in that case used a ladder…

I still don't really understand this. If I own 2/4 grid squares in a checkerboard, can't I go in and put some tall fences on the "corners" of my property. Maybe the two fences are physically joined. But my fences are 16 ft tall, how are you going to put a ladder over that?

It's been awhile since I read the case; I'm not sure that it contemplated that.

If I recall correctly it was either basically just a low hanging chain or low fence, but it's awhile since I read it.

Judges are normally loathe to consider much more than the narrowest reading required, so I would be shocked if they considered the possibility of touching the fence or a fence high enough to make a ladder impractical.

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Post by dyauspitr »

dvdkon wrote: post #163
dyauspitr wrote: post #161

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Honestly in the US it has never been a problem since there is so much land. The laws are also unambiguous here. If I’m on someone’s property I can get shot but on public land we can shoot each other :)

I have to admit that Americans seem to have a different perspective on land use, with the sheer scale of the country and a willingness to drive for hours to get places. If someone told me that I have to travel from Prague to Germany to go hiking or even just let my kids play in a forest, I'd be pretty mad.

In rural areas many Americans can go on a hike or play in the forest in their backyard.

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Post by pests »

DennisP wrote: post #174
pests wrote: post #149

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I love how we are trying to make decisions for our descendants. Just like historical buildings.

Another way of looking at it is that we're preserving things for our descendants.

Or locking them out of options. Why not let them do it? It’s their world. We all like to complain about boomer control of society but whose to say in 50 years we get looked down upon for this stuff.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

stickfigure wrote: post #67
kjkjadksj wrote: post #37

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Not only can you kick people off in the US. You are allowed to kill them in some places. Castle doctrine.

Nonsense. The castle doctrine only lets you kill trespassers if they are threatening your life.

You the survivor are the only witness however. I suppose Trayvon Martin is old news at this point.

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Post by dvdkon »

dyauspitr wrote: post #196
dvdkon wrote: post #163

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I have to admit that Americans seem to have a different perspective on land use, with the sheer scale of the country and a willingness to drive for hours to get places. If someone told me that I have to travel from Prague to Germany to go hiking or even just let my kids play in a forest, I'd be pretty mad.

In rural areas many Americans can go on a hike or play in the forest in their backyard.

Most Americans live in urban areas, though.

I have to say that according to this PDF I found [1], a lot more US families do own forested land, but it's still a minority.

[1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20250420022718/http://www.family...

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