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Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Why is there an age limit on an all encompassing vax, wasn't the famous posterchild for this disease Michael Douglas?

This is mostly guesswork but I think you need to get the vaccine before you catch it and lots of people have it as they get older. If you have a limited supply the greater bang per buck would be to start with the young people who almost certainly haven't caught it yet and then work your way up.

It's less that and more "we just haven't tested it in older populations yet".

Sure you are more likely to have it the older you are but even then you are unlikely to have all the strains. The vaccine covers like 9 or 10 different strains so it can protect you from the other strains even if you already have one of them.

It's generally only when you get into the 60s and up that the justification for not recommending the vaccine changes. Once you get into those later years the immune response changes a bit and you get new concerns.

An example being herpes zoster (chickenpox) where after a certain age you are recommended to get the shingles vaccine instead of the chickenpox vaccine since the way the disease presents and how the body reacts to it changes with age (technically shingles can happen at any age but generally herpes zoster presents as shingles instead of chickenpox the older you get).

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Teenagers are notorious for making decisions based on consequences that are decades away from manifesting.

I can't tell if you think what I said was serious, I tried to hard to convey the /s.

Don't worry; it was very obvious.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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That feels like a wild assumption to me - we really think people 45+ aren't having casual sex? less casual sex maybe, but I would imagine still a decent amount, statistically.

If you’re having casual sex at 45+ you probably already carry HPV.

There are over 30 strains of HPV with just 2 causing the majority of cancers. So sure, most people may have had some strain of it, but that's not really relevant unless immunity is broad across strains.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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It's not "recommended" but your PCP can prescribe it off-label if you ask -- just ask.

I'm sorry, but you sound like the people who try to get me take ivermectine for Covid. "just get it off label" or "tell the doctor you just got back from pauea new guinea and saw worms in your stool." I know you are very well intentioned, but American's actually have very good doctors.

It more like “I’d rather not have a current or future partner go through a painful LEEP procedure or cervical cancer because I exposed her to HPV”

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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In most countries it's recommended for everyone. It just isn't in the US because they don't want to pay for it.

From what I have heard, that is true for many, many vaccines. I think it's weird and creepy people are selectively opting into vaccines that are not recommended for them. It feels a bit like those ads that say "bring up Expedia with your doctor!" This isn't a good PSA. Should I be vaccinated against smallpox too? How about anthrax?

If we had as trivial of vaccinations for smallpox, anthrax, and rabies as we have for HPV, I'd collect them all. One fewer risk in my life, and a finite reduction in the risk of everyone around me's life, with no downside at all.

1 pin prick * 340,000,000 people > 340,000,000 people * 6.1 cases of cervical cancer * 0.9 efficacy / 100,000 people

Your world view assigns equally negative utility to at most 18,214 shots as 1 case of cervical cancer.

Put another way: If you were told you had to either take a shot every day, or you are guaranteed to get cancer, would you really choose the cancer?

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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That feels like a wild assumption to me - we really think people 45+ aren't having casual sex? less casual sex maybe, but I would imagine still a decent amount, statistically.

If you’re having casual sex at 45+ you probably already carry HPV.

Sure, but you probably don't already have all the strains which can cause cancer.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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> American's actually have very good doctors Doctors aren't setting the rules on who gets what vaccine and when. RFK Jr is. Health insurance companies are.

RFK Jr wasn't doing anything worth talking about during the multiple times in the past 15 years my doctors have told me it wasn't recommended. Please do not turn mainstream medical advice into a fringe position.

I got 3 doses of gardasil at 37 in Norway. I do not want to expose women to a potentially deadly virus (plus I’d also like to avoid having penile cancer and mouth/throat cancer myself). If your doctor is seriously advising you against taking the vaccine, you should consult another doctor for a second opinion.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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If you're living in the US: please consider getting the vaccine, ragardless of your age. It was covered by my (rather shitty) health insurance. It consists of just 2 (EDIT: 3 for adults!) doses. It is recommended for both Males and Females.

It is actually not straightforward to do. Safeway Pharmacy refused to actually give me the vaccine when I showed up saying I'm not in a group that's eligible. One Medical told me that it would be a $400/shot 3-shot regimen. I'll probably just travel to India some time to visit family and get Cervavac there instead of Gardasil here. It's about $20/shot.

as far as I can tell, pharmacists cannot give vaccines off-label (this is an issue for the new covid guidelines and some states fell back to an Rx if no longer eligible for the covid booster).

Your PCP may give a vaccine off-label though, which is how I got my Shingrix, though I had to pay out of pocket.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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By way of contrast, America's current top "doctor" organized a class-action lawsuit against the HPV vaccine. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/... ( "Kennedy played key role in Gardasil vaccine case against Merck" ) > "Details of the Gardasil litigation show how Kennedy took action beyond sowing doubt about the safety and efficacy of vaccines in the court of public opinion and helped build a…

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>What exactly is your objection?

Feels based anti-science.

>HPV vaccine is not risk free

No vaccine is "risk free." The entire point is that vaccinations overall have less risks than you would suffer if you had gotten the disease it's helping safeguard against.

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