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Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by toast0 »

MangoToupe wrote: post #80

I'm afraid the latest spate of "recognizing the state of Palestine" is not, in fact, a sign of coming relief for the people there, but rather a spigot to relieve domestic pressure to engage in substantive actions (sanctions, pressuring the US and other suppliers of arms to engage in sanctions, let alone sending peacekeepers or no-fly zones). Regardless of how much you're personally invested in the topic, this should…

> I'm afraid the latest spate of "recognizing the state of Palestine" is not, in fact, a sign of coming relief for the people there, but rather a spigot to relieve domestic pressure to engage in substantive actions (sanctions, pressuring the US and other suppliers of arms to engage in sanctions, let alone sending peacekeepers or no-fly zones).

I don't think recognition as a State would really change anything. If at least one of the permanent members of the UN Security Council will veto everything that comes up, the UN won't effectively intervene in the situation. Military intervention in such a case is unlikely, unless at least one permanent member is willing to join an intervention coalition. Looking at conflicts the US has been involved in, it usually lines up around the lines with US maybe with their usual friends vs Locals or Locals and Russia and friends. The only one I found where the pattern was when France started sending arms to Nicaragua while the US was supporting the other side [1]. Unless Russia or China wants to support the Palestinians militarily, or the US decides not to no longer support Israel militarily, there's not much chance of outside intervention here.

Given the outside countries can't effectively intervene, recognizing the state of Palestine at least sends a message, that maybe hopefully influences the US?

[1] https://www.csmonitor.com/1982/0715/071566.html

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by dotancohen »

shadowgovt wrote: post #94
eej71 wrote: post #84

It's always useful to balance these claims against their critics. Towards that end I offer up unwatch. https://unwatch.org/

True. And in the interest of balancing the claims of the critics, I offer up the observation that UN Watch is "a lobby group with strong ties to Israel" (AFP article: Capella, Peter. "UN Gaza probe chief underlines balanced approach." 7-Jul-2009. https://web.archive.org/web/20111222162658/https://www.googl... ).

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by thegrim33 »

dang wrote: post #71
ipaddr wrote: post #69

Wonder why this made the frontpage when other political articles die. Has the rules around political non technical articles changed? Can we get an Epstein thread for the frontpage sometime this week?

No, the rules haven't changed—they've been the same for many years. Let me try to dig up some past explanations. Edit: here's one from a few months ago, which covers the principles: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43738815 . Re how we approach political topics (or political overlap) on HN in general: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... Re how we deal with Major Ongoing Topics, i.e. to…

Looking at the official HN guidelines, it states that "Most stories about politics" is off-topic, and "If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic".

Is the Isreal/Gaza debate not political, and not mainstream news? How does a story like this not directly violate those guidelines?

Furthermore, the guidelines state that stories should be what "good hackers" find "intellectually satisfying". A political debate thread about Isreal is what "good hackers" would find intellectually satisfying?

I just can not understand how a story such as this in any way remotely meets the established, official guidelines for what belongs here.

Considering these threads also, universally, just devolve in political flamewars / hate spreading. There's nothing constructive here. There's no debate. There's no opposing ideas/opinions allowed.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by IncreasePosts »

actionfromafar wrote: post #83
imglorp wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US, both parties were supportive in the last election. Not many choices.

One party had a long leash. The other cut the leash and yelled attaboy. Now acting mildly concerned when the neighbour downstreet (Qatar) got their chickens bombed.

Why shouldn't Hamas leadership be bombed wherever they may be? They're the leaders of a terrorist organization. The US takes out terrorists wherever they may be (or, works with local authorities to get them first). But, when local authorities are siding with the terrorists, we go in there and do it ourselves. October 7th was Israel's 9/11 - we went and got bin Laden in Pakistan, without dealing with the Pakistani government. Why shouldn't Israel do the same thing? I say - kill all the Hamas leadership, and leave the random Palestinian citizens alone.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by random9749832 »

dotancohen wrote: post #187
random9749832 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice critic. I remember on Reddit watching someone get blown up the other day while carrying water while it was still up. I think they were under 10. Not sure if they died or just lost all their limbs.

That was a young Gazan girl who tripped a Hamas IED that had been set for Israeli troops. That's why there was a camera pointed at it.

>That was a young Gazan girl

Are we sure we are talking about the same child who got blown up? There is quite a few.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by flyinglizard »

hashbig wrote: post #170
flyinglizard wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UN discredits itself: UNGA 2015-2023, 154 resolutions against Israel, 71 against all other countries _combined_. Of course it stems from the anti-Israeli bias of its members: a single Jewish state against 57 Muslim states.

Or it stems from Israel committing more war crimes than other nations

Does it seem plausible to you that during the years of the Syrian civil war, Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the Tigray war in Ethiopia, the war in South Sudan and countless others (conflicts which, in total, claimed the lives of millions), Israel would commit war crimes at a ratio of 2:1 against the entire world, combined?

In contrast, the number of deaths from both Israeli and Palestinian sides in the same time period was several hundreds.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by dotancohen »

bix6 wrote: post #92
eej71 wrote: post #84

It's always useful to balance these claims against their critics. Towards that end I offer up unwatch. https://unwatch.org/

Is there a specific report arguing that Israel is not committing genocide? I don’t see it on the home page.

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