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Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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Re: Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office

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Post by cjbgkagh »

groby_b wrote: post #175
chollida1 wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

most people like vs code and lots of companies have built on top of it so there must be some quality there that people like.

It's more that there isn't a single credible alternative. So, winning by default, not by merit.

But it didn’t win by default, it beat out the other alternatives, sublime and a GitHub editor (prior to acquisition).

VS Code (Monaco at the time) was developed by a small team largely in secret to keep it safe from other MS departments so it’s really not like other MS software. It has been safe from meddling for a while there is a chance it’ll be a victim of its own success.

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Post by ghaff »

black_puppydog wrote: post #184

50 miles 3 times a week? That seems like a lot . Or maybe I'm getting my miles>km conversion wrong here. Not a commute I'd accept if it's not by high speed commuter rail (and even then...)

From my experience, even with fairly reasonable commuter rail--if not exactly high-speed--about 10 minutes from my house to the rail station or a fairly long drive into an outlying subway station. Plus some walking. You were close to 2 hours each way with a 6am start at the latest.

Latterly if I went into another company's Boston office it was about the same.

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Post by [deleted] »

bluedino wrote: post #81
roadside_picnic wrote: post #73

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> play video games and jackin' off during work hours. Most of the hardest working remote people I've known, and I've worked remote at over 5 companies across two decades, often don't work standard hours. I honestly don't see the problem with someone gaming at 2pm if they're also making sure shit gets deployed at midnight. I also have found that anytime I show up in an actual office it's hilarious how little work actu…

> I honestly don't see the problem with someone gaming at 2pm It depends on if other team members need to be able to reach out to this person at 2pm

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Post by rjsw »

jbm wrote: post #188
boringg wrote: post #144

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This kind of commentary is more appropriate for Reddit but in this case I approve.

Yeah, honestly my whole karma score is built from pithy comments about Teams. Thankfully it no longer crashes Chrome all the time, but everything else is meh. I still can't tag people in Japanese. The security settings are a trap for poor quality system admins and checkbox checkers. The meetings crash, the screen sharing only allows one way (so no easy pair programming), etc.. I much prefer working with slack and goo…

Given that Teams doesn't work in anything other than Chrome, I would hope that it didn't crash all the time.

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Post by nradov »

neilv wrote: post #170
scarface_74 wrote: post #152

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It really doesn’t take a lawyer to know what “at will employment” means. A case for what unless it’s discriminatory. Your employer doesn’t have to justify letting you go - at all. Even looking at your citation, it shows that constructive dismissal is only actionable if you can show that they made working conditions harder and they were targeting you under a law meant to protect you against discrimination Companies ha…

Also, in combination with possible constructive dismissal, the company is possibly defaming the employees in a way that predictably adversely affects their ability to gain new employment. And there may be other potential problems that aren't apparent to me, since I'm not a lawyer. Talking to a lawyer about this is low-effort, low-risk. You get a lawyer's name from friend/family or another kind of lawyer you know, or…

You're not making any sense. Who is being defamed in this hypothetical scenario, and how?

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Post by fzeroracer »

wongarsu wrote: post #169
tokai wrote: post #66

Commute time should be salaried time. Then the whole office/home work discussion could be taken with the true costs involved.

Nobody's stopping you from moving closer to the office, and incentivizing people to move further away is the last thing we should do Yes, rent 5 minutes from the office is likely very high, and it's much cheaper two hours away, and that's why most people live far away. But that is already a factor in salaries. If the office is in a high-cost-of-living area they have to offer higher salaries to get an equal caliber of…

This definitely is not how it works. There are a ton of companies in Irvine for example that vastly underpay their developers compared to the cost of living in the area. And if you were to assume that's how it works, then companies should be offering salary increases for RTO which is very obviously not happening.

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Post by zero_shift »

sugarpimpdorsey wrote: post #53
ariwilson wrote: post #39

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I have a more nuanced take here. For low performing or junior employees, remote work was generally a terrible thing that led to less productivity (and more managerial overhead). For strongly performing employees with obligations at home, there were many who preferred working at home. I fall more into the latter camp (at least I hope so) and, given I've only worked in nice offices with catered lunches, gyms, video gam…

Remote work used to be an earned privilege. Then COVID hit and everyone got a taste of it. Including the folks who discovered they could get paid to stay home and play video games and jackin' off during work hours. In a way you could say this group ruined it for everyone. But that's usually how these things go. The hammer comes down on everyone because otherwise it leads to uncomfortable questions like "why does HE g…

I'm sorry to take a belligerent tone, but this is total revisionism. People have always slacked off and bringing them into the office doesn't change that.

Maybe I'm an old greybeard as someone with more than five years experience in the workforce, but don't you remember before COVID? People screwed around all the time! On coffee breaks or smoke breaks or extended meetings or late lunches or ping-pong tables or just browsing Facebook on their desks.

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Post by dakiol »

wongarsu wrote: post #169
tokai wrote: post #66

Commute time should be salaried time. Then the whole office/home work discussion could be taken with the true costs involved.

Nobody's stopping you from moving closer to the office, and incentivizing people to move further away is the last thing we should do Yes, rent 5 minutes from the office is likely very high, and it's much cheaper two hours away, and that's why most people live far away. But that is already a factor in salaries. If the office is in a high-cost-of-living area they have to offer higher salaries to get an equal caliber of…

> Nobody's stopping you from moving closer to the office

Price per square meter is.

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Post by zero_shift »

nphardon wrote: post #69

> We’ve looked at how our teams work best, and the data is clear: when people work together in person more often, they thrive — they are more energized, empowered, and they deliver stronger results. Ah the data is clear, without reference to the data collected or metrics used.

The data is clear. So clear, I shall not insult your intelligence by providing it.
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