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From the NYT article: "Two of his top national security officials at that time — his national security adviser, John Bolton, and the acting defense secretary, Patrick M. Shanahan — declined to comment for this article."
If he leaked intel of the operation, he plausibly would decline to comment on the article. That said, Bolton doesn't seem like the type to leak information about a Navy SEALs ops.
When incidents like this happen, it gives credence to North Korean propaganda portraying the US as an imperialist aggressor.
yeah, it's not like north korea doesn't do batshit crazy stuff like kidnap japanese/south korean civilians from japanese/south korean soil, or murder people abroad with massage artists given vx laden massage oil
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How dare you suggest Putin is not doing things because he’s just crazy and wants to take over Europe??
If I was a superpower I would just be really nice and have good policy so that people wanted to join my country I am not sure why none of the big three have put this into practice yet
That tends to not align very well with being a ‘superpower’. That kind of self doubt and reasonableness is what makes you stop being a superpower.
It’s similar with Empires. You don’t get to be (or sustain) being an empire by giving a shit what anyone else thinks. You get to be (or sustain) being an empire by doing whatever the fuck you want, regardless of what anyone else thinks. And if anyone tries to stop you, figuring out a way to get them out of your way/conquer them.
It’s a variant of ‘reasonable people conform to reality, unreasonable people make reality conform to them. therefore, all progress depends on unreasonable people.’
Of course, if you fuck it up, you potentially die. So none of this is for the faint of heart, or weak of arm (as it were).
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How are you getting that from this story? They thought they had been discovered, and panicked. Pretty simple. Morality aside, staying quiet doesn't help your stealth if your enemy already has a flashlight pointed at you.
How could they have panicked? Surely this would've been a scenario that would've been planned for. I assume they would've trained for the crazy situation of encountering North Koreans in North Korea.
Is there any way all those involved in the killings can be prosecuted for murder?
> Gallagher was convicted in July of posing with the dead body of a teenage Islamic State captive he had just killed with a hunting knife. He was granted clemency by the president in November in a decision that angered military chiefs.
> fellow platoon members told of a ruthless leader who stabbed the captive to death for no reason then forced his troops to pose for a photograph with the corpse.
0: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/27/eddie-gallag...
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"An X country's covert operations team landed on country Y's shores, opened fire on a boat in which an innocent fisherman lost lives and left" If X is Iran/Russia/North Korea/ and Y is US/UK/Canada etc, the whole *mainstream* media would be calling for war. But in this case, its just called a failed operation. Even if it was an allied country and the SEAL was caught, US would threaten the country with war to get the…
If X is Iran/Russia/North Korea/ and Y is US/UK/Canada etc, the whole mainstream media would be calling for war Russia had killed UK nationals on the British soil in covert ops and exactly the opposite had happened. The establishment and the media categorically did not want this to go anywhere let alone to a war.
I'm always surprised like at this level it still seems some people absolutely want to fire there weapons; whereas I would say the more secret a mission is, the more experience you have, the more training you have and you should have understood that killing people and making noises was not the goal of the mission... It should be more teached it seems, sometimes there is operational value in not killing people.
What surprises me is that they had the mini subs door open and bright lights on inside. This seems like surprisingly poor light discipline.
I'm always surprised like at this level it still seems some people absolutely want to fire there weapons; whereas I would say the more secret a mission is, the more experience you have, the more training you have and you should have understood that killing people and making noises was not the goal of the mission... It should be more teached it seems, sometimes there is operational value in not killing people.
i'm pretty sure this was the plan in case they got caught : kill everybody and flee
If you can stomach the bravado and unclear factual accuracy, the 2007 book Lone Survivor gives an account of a similar failure, in Afghanistan, where a SEAL team was discovered early in their mission. But, it devolved into a running battle and a disaster for the US special forces where most of the team and many rescuers also died. As a result of those prior events, I can imagine they have different rules of engagemen…
> In Marcus Luttrell's original after-action report, he stated that he and his teammates were attacked by 20–35 insurgents, while his book places the number at over 200....military journalist Ed Darack cites a military intelligence report stating the strength of the Taliban force to be 8–10. > Luttrell's book and the film both suggest that the SEALs decision to release the goat herders led to their subsequent ambush…