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Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by kossTKR »

klabb3 wrote: post #167
kossTKR wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh i see thanks. That's a dark design pattern, hiding stuff like that. No one cares about anything else but they have lots of superflous text and they are calling it "help us get better", blah blah, it's "help us earn more money and potentially sell or leak your extremely private info", so they are lying. Considering cancelling my subscription right this moment. I hope EU at leat considers banning or extreme-fining c…

EU or not, it baffled me that people don't see this glaring conflict of interest. AI companies both produce the model and rent out inference. In other words, you're expecting that the company that (a) desperately crave your data the most and (b) that also happen to collect large amounts of high quality data from you will simply not use it. It's like asking a child to keep your candy safe. I'd love to live in a societ…

This is why we need actual regulation, and not the semi fascist monopolist corporatocracy we've evolved into now.

Its only utopian because it's become so incredibly bad.

We shouldn't expect less, we shouldn't push guilt or responsibility onto the consumer we should push for more, unless you actively want your neighbour, you mom, and 95% of the population to be in constant trouble with absolutely everything from tech to food safety, chemicals or healthcare - most people aren't rich engineers like on this forum and i don't want to research for 5 hours every time i buy something because some absolute psychopaths have removed all regulation and sensible defaults so someone can party on a yacht.

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Post by pixl97 »

komali2 wrote: post #144
benterix wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of guarantee do we have this is true? Meta downloaded copyrighted content and trained their models on it, OpenAI did the same. Uber developed Greyball to cheat the officials and break the law. Tesla deletes accident data and reports to the authorities they don't have it. So forgive me I have zero trust in whatever these companies say.

> What kind of guarantee do we have this is true? None. And even if it's the nicest goody two shoes company in the history of capitalism, the NSA will have your data and then there'll be a breach and then Russian cyber criminals will have it too. At this point I'm with you on the zero trust: we should be shouting loud and clear to everyone, if you put data into a web browser or app, that data will at some point be so…

I mean you really sell short where your data is going to be taken from. Browsers and apps are just the start, your TV is selling your data. Your car is selling your data. The places you shop are selling your data.

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by Syzygies »

Claude assists me in my math research.

The scenario that concerns me is that Claude learns unpublished research ideas from me as we chat and code. Claude then suggests these same ideas to someone else, who legitimately believes this is now their work.

Clearly commercial accounts use AI to assist in developing intellectual product, and privacy is mandatory. The same can apply to individuals.

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by latexr »

So far, no one in this thread seems surprised (or is admitting to it). But I genuinely would like to know if someone is surprised. I’d also like to know what lead you to believe this wouldn’t happen and if there’s anyone in the LLM space you’d trust to not pull the same stunt (and why do you still believe that).

I genuinely want to know and would like to have a productive conversation. I would like to identify what made people trust them and not realise they’re the same as every other.

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by Aurornis »

Why are we linking to Perplexity.ai AI-generated slop summaries of other news articles instead of the actual announcement? Reading the actual announcement is more clear : https://www.anthropic.com/news/updates-to-our-consumer-terms Some important points:

An in-app notification pop-up will alert you to the change. You can opt out in the pop up.

I was able to opt out right now by going to the Privacy section of Settings.

It doesn’t take effect until September 28th. The app will apparently prompt people to review the new terms and make a decision before then.

Only applies to new or resumed sessions if you do review the new terms and don’t turn it off. The angry comments about collecting data from customers and then later using it without permission are not correct. You would have to accept the new terms and resume an old session for it to be used.

Does not apply to API use, 3rd party services, or products like Claude Gov or Claude for Education.

Changing the link to the actual source instead of this perplexity.ai link would be far more helpful.

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by Aurornis »

Syzygies wrote: post #193

Claude assists me in my math research. The scenario that concerns me is that Claude learns unpublished research ideas from me as we chat and code. Claude then suggests these same ideas to someone else, who legitimately believes this is now their work. Clearly commercial accounts use AI to assist in developing intellectual product, and privacy is mandatory. The same can apply to individuals.

When you get the pop-up about the new terms, select the “opt out” option. Then your chats will not be used for training.

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by felideon »

JohnnyMarcone wrote: post #25
troad wrote: post #8

You can opt out, but the fact that it's opt-in by default and made to look like a simple T/C update prompt leaves a sour taste in my mouth. The five year retention period seems... excessive. I wonder if they've buried anything else objectionable in the new terms. It was the kick in the pants I needed to cancel my subscription.

I got a pop-up when I opened the app explaining the change and an option to opt out. That seems very transparent to me.

> seems very transparent

Except not:

> The interface design has drawn criticism from privacy advocates, as the large black "Accept" button is prominently displayed while the opt-out toggle appears in smaller text beneath. The toggle defaults to "On," meaning users who quickly click "Accept" without reading the details will automatically consent to data training.

Definitely happened to me as it was late/lazy.

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Post by dmbche »

diggan wrote: post #157
perihelions wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Training on private user interactions is a privacy violation; training on public, published texts is (some argue) an intellectual property violation. They're very different kinds of moral rights.

Have Anthropic ever written clearly exactly about what training datasets they use? Like a list of everything included? AFAIK, all the providers/labs are kind of tightly lipped about this, so I think it's safe to assume they've slurped up all data they've come across via multiple methodologies, "private" or not.

Look at the suits against them they list it there
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