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Re: The Synology End Game

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Post by pjmlp »

postexitus wrote: post #187
pjmlp wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There isn't many, as stupid as it may sound, I keep burning CD/DVD/BluRay and piling up external drives. Yes, it is a pain versus having a NAS, but at least I don't have to deal with this kind of stuff.

Are you sure they survive for the time period you intend them to? When I was a teenager, I though the DVDs and BluRays I burned would be forever - 15 years later I am very unhappy to find that some of them started to crack and flay - it's a pain to keep checking them. Nothing like the guarantees a NAS + Cloud backup could provide.

NAS also fail, and cloud backups can be taken away without notice.

Hence why multiple copies.

Re: The Synology End Game

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Post by _zoltan_ »

mkl wrote: post #102
_zoltan_ wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SATA? In 2025? NVMe all the way.

Not for a NAS. Speed is NVMe's benefit, but your network isn't fast enough to take advantage of it, which means you're paying through the nose for very low capacity. 24TB SATA drives are a way better deal for a NAS.

I run 25Gbps home from my ISP and to my desktop from my NAS I run also 25Gbps.

Re: The Synology End Game

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Post by _zoltan_ »

sigio wrote: post #155
_zoltan_ wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SATA? In 2025? NVMe all the way.

I'm not paying for 64TB of NVME... 4x16TB HDD's and 2 2TB NVME's for caching are more then enough ;)

I wish there was a filesystem which could put all hot data on the NVMe and all cold data on the backend pool easily.

can ZFS do this today?

Re: The Synology End Game

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Post by pjmlp »

TheCondor wrote: post #186
pjmlp wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There isn't many, as stupid as it may sound, I keep burning CD/DVD/BluRay and piling up external drives. Yes, it is a pain versus having a NAS, but at least I don't have to deal with this kind of stuff.

I’m a fan of optical storage and its durability (with reasonable care.) But the problem is when you need to recover and have 20 Blu-ray Discs with important data scattered about, it takes days. Or when there is a specific piece of data you want/need and only have a vague idea of where it is/was in history. Maybe if those ultra capacity discs took hold but it looks like the era of optical is ending

Same applies to NAS, how many hours have you spent clicking around shared folders on company NAS / cloud storage, to track down where a specific set of files are actually located?

Search isn't helpful if the stuff wasn't properly indexed.

Re: The Synology End Game

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Post by _zoltan_ »

Sebb767 wrote: post #132
_zoltan_ wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SATA? In 2025? NVMe all the way.

If you need a lot of (not so fast) storage, 3,5" drives are still by far the best TB per €. For a lot of NAS solutions (backups, video/movie/music storage etc.) their performance is completely fine. Plus, we're most likely talking about Gigabit networking here, so unless your workload consists of very parallel random access, this is going to be the limiting factor anyway.

25 and 100 Gbps is commodity at this point. yes it's a bit of a pain to run fiber in the walls but worth it.

Re: The Synology End Game

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Post by bgnn »

M95D wrote: post #50

But self-building a NAS is still a problem, and I'm also talking about this [1] article from the same blog: There are NO low power NAS boards. I'm talking about something with an ARM CPU, no video, no audio, lots of memory (or SODIMM slot) and 10+ SATA ports. Sure, anyone can buy a self-powered USB3 hub and add 7 external HDDs to a raspbery, but that level of performance is really really low, not to mention the USB r…

This sounds like a fun project to do. Maybe I will look into the technical feasibility of this.

Re: The Synology End Game

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Post by tecleandor »

ffsm8 wrote: post #133
tecleandor wrote: post #48

Not only that, but their security situation is terrible. Their OS is full of EOL'ed stuff. On products you can buy TODAY, you find: - Their Btrfs filesystem is a fork of a very old branch and doesn't have modern patches - A custom, non standard, self built, ACL system for the filesystem - Kernel 4.4 - PHP 7.4 (requirement for their Hyperbackup app) - smbd 4.15 - PostgreSQL 11.11 - smbd 8.2p1 - Redis 6.2.8 - ... They…

You regret switching them from Synology to Trueness? Am I misunderstanding your final note? It's confusing me after the preceding displeasure wrt Synology

I regret not pushing a bit more for deploying a custom storage solution with TrueNAS (or something similar) instead of Synology. All the TrueNAS devices I have are mine, not from my clients.

They already had one Synology device, they don't have any IT employees on site, and I'd need to take a flight to go to their offices, so I thought that using another Synology device would be better for maintenance. They (and I) were also worried about the noise: it's an small office, and they needed at least 8*3.5" drives, and most of the decent solutions I found for 8 or more drives were big and noisy. The Jonsbo N5 appeared a bit later, that looks like a good candidate today.

Now I found that all their applications are half done, they don't upgrade or fix them regularly, security-wise is a mess, and everything on the backend is super old...

Re: The Synology End Game

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Post by horsawlarway »

M95D wrote: post #112
interstice wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why 5W?

Electricity prices and not wanting to turn it on and off all the time.

The difference here is pretty much negligible to the vast majority of folks.

10w is... Nothing. There are only very specific cases where it's worth picking hardware on this constraint, and unless you're on a solar powered sail boat or something similarly niche, you probably shouldn't be prioritizing this.

In my region, 10w comes out to about 0.90 USD/month. Or roughly 3 pennies a day.

Over the entire lifetime of the device (5 years assumed) it's less than 50 USD in power costs.

I'll take basically any other quality of life improvement instead...

Re: The Synology End Game

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Post by SirMaster »

M95D wrote: post #50

But self-building a NAS is still a problem, and I'm also talking about this [1] article from the same blog: There are NO low power NAS boards. I'm talking about something with an ARM CPU, no video, no audio, lots of memory (or SODIMM slot) and 10+ SATA ports. Sure, anyone can buy a self-powered USB3 hub and add 7 external HDDs to a raspbery, but that level of performance is really really low, not to mention the USB r…

Why do you need a bunch of SATA ports? Just get a cheap SAS2 PCIe card on eBay.

There are definitely low power ARM boards with a PCIe lanes. Typically its NVMe, but you can adapt that to 4x PCIe 3.0 which is a lot of bandwidth for HDDs. Not sure why you need a lot of memory for a NAS though, but they do have boards that have 32GB of memory.

What's wrong with this?

https://www.amazon.com/Radxa-5B-Connector-Computer-32GB/dp/B...

And connect a card like this to the NVMe PCIe which you can connect 8 SATA HDDs to with SATA breakout cables.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/155007176276

If you need more than 8 HDDs you can get a SAS2 expander to connect to the SAS2 card and then you could easily connect 24 HDDs with a 6 port SAS2 expander and breakout cables.

Or if you put this small board and card into a server case that has a SAS2 backplane with expander built in, then you can just connect all the disks that way.

Another option, not ARM, but still low power and neat.

https://www.lattepanda.com/lattepanda-sigma

This has Thunderbolt 4 which you can connect to a PCIe slot like this:

https://www.dfrobot.com/product-2832.html

They have a lot of neat stuff, you can get the tiny LattePanda Mu, and dock it in this:

https://www.lattepanda.com/lattepanda-mu

https://www.dfrobot.com/product-2822.html

Re: The Synology End Game

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Post by Kototama »

torben-friis wrote: post #79
tecleandor wrote: post #48

Not only that, but their security situation is terrible. Their OS is full of EOL'ed stuff. On products you can buy TODAY, you find: - Their Btrfs filesystem is a fork of a very old branch and doesn't have modern patches - A custom, non standard, self built, ACL system for the filesystem - Kernel 4.4 - PHP 7.4 (requirement for their Hyperbackup app) - smbd 4.15 - PostgreSQL 11.11 - smbd 8.2p1 - Redis 6.2.8 - ... They…

My main issue with their system is how closed it is. I got an issue where mind would randomly start writing disk like crazy and maxing cpu usage, to the point I was bothered by the noise. I’d stop all containers, leave it as close to idle as I could manage, still spiking. There was no way I could learn what was causing it. I would like to assume it was a disk maintenance process or something, but for all I know it co…

You could activate the sshd service and log in to the NAS.
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