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Re: I Am An AI Hater

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Post by petralithic »

magicalist wrote: post #168
petralithic wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which artists care about coding AI like Copilot? All the ones I talked to simply do not care. Regarding economic means, I asked them whether they'd care if they lived in a post scarcity society where they could make art all day and not have to worry about their material needs being met, ie they're rich, and it turns out if that were the case, they didn't care about what people did with AI, be it image generation or c…

Sounds like you were maybe having some one-sided conversations with all the many artists you spoke to.

Ah yes, because you disagree with me, I must have been having one sided conversations. I suppose some people just can't accept other people's experiences without denigrating them.

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Post by andybak »

sindriava wrote: post #154
didibus wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They might hate those too? It's pretty clear there are impacts, AI needs energy, consumes material, creates trash. You probably just don't mind it. The fact is still fact, the conclusion is different, you assess it's not a big concern in the grand scheme of it and worth it for the pros. The author doesn't care much for the pros, so then any environmental impact is a net loss for them. I feel both take are rational.

They might be rational, but taking things out of context as much as happens with any AI / environment narrative gives off a strong "arsenic-free cauliflower" smell.

I think I get "arsenic-free cauliflower" from context but searching brings up no sources. Did you coin that phrase or is my non-google-fu just weak?

Re: I Am An AI Hater

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Post by diamond559 »

petralithic wrote: post #53
jkingsman wrote: post #8

I appreciate seeing this point of view represented. It's not one I personally hold, but it is one a LOT of my friends hold, and I think it's important that it be given a voice, even if -- perhaps especially if -- a lot of people disagree with it. One of my friends sent me a delightful bastardization of the famous IBM quote: A COMPUTER CAN NEVER FEEL SPITEFUL OR [PASSIONATE†]. THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER CREATE AR…

I've talked to people like this and when you dig deep enough, it's a fear of the economic effects of it, not actually any strongly held belief of AI inherently not being intelligent or emotional. Similarly, and I'm speaking generally here, ask artists about coding AI and they won't care, and ask programmers about media generation AI and they also won't care. That's because AI outside their domain does not (ostensibly…

And most "AI" evangelists are actually stock holders.

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Post by sindriava »

jacobsenscott wrote: post #186
sindriava wrote: post #132

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I appreciate this response. The environmental impact is such a red herring it's not even funny. Somehow these statements never include the impact of watching Netflix shows or doing data processing manually.

Uh, we've been doing data processing for nearly 80 years, and watching netflix for nearly 20 years. Suddenly we need to tile the earth with data centers, build power plants, burn all the fuels we can, and will "need to get to fusion" (per Sam) to run AGI. He also said "if we need to burn a little more gas to get there, that's fine". We'll never get to fusion or AGI, but we will destroy the earth to put a few more dol…

Do you honestly expect anyone to believe you're trying to take part in a discussion with that last statement? I appreciate this topic has your emotions running hot, but this is HN, not Reddit. Please leave that kind of talk at the door.

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Post by robochat »

NBJack wrote: post #88
sarchertech wrote: post #34

"Their dream is to invent new forms of life to enslave." That seems like a succinct way to describe the goal to create conscious AGI.

The TV show Pantheon did a really cool job of exploring super intelligence from a very personal perspective, disguised in part as a scifi about living forever. (Mild spoiler): It has a basic plot point about uploaded humans being used to tackle problems as unknowing slaves and resetting their memories to get them to endlessly repeat tasks.

"Valuable Humans in Transit and Other Stories" by Qntm has some good (harrowing) stories about human uploads too.

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Post by lostmsu »

didibus wrote: post #143
sindriava wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I appreciate this response. The environmental impact is such a red herring it's not even funny. Somehow these statements never include the impact of watching Netflix shows or doing data processing manually.

They might hate those too? It's pretty clear there are impacts, AI needs energy, consumes material, creates trash. You probably just don't mind it. The fact is still fact, the conclusion is different, you assess it's not a big concern in the grand scheme of it and worth it for the pros. The author doesn't care much for the pros, so then any environmental impact is a net loss for them. I feel both take are rational.

They would be rational if author also produced everything they consume off the earth and hosted this very slop on a tree. Otherwise they needed hardware produced by other humans, and those humans used the things mentioned above, and probably AI too.

But as it stands the author indirectly loves Netflix.

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Post by [deleted] »

whitehexagon wrote: post #117

I'm also 'agAInst' this trend. Mainly because it feels like a dangerous step further along the path towards conscious GAI. But there is too much money and greed involved to stop this now. The only thing I can do is avoid any product or service that mentions AI, chatGPT, .ai domain, smart, agent etc. etc. It feels like we are on a cliff edge, just before every government builds in a dependency on this nightmare techno…

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Post by ls-a »

nahuel0x wrote: post #128

This was a merchant who sold pills that had been invented to quench thirst. You need only swallow one pill a week, and you would feel no need for anything to drink. "Why are you selling those?" asked the little prince. "Because they save a tremendous amount of time," said the merchant. "Computations have been made by experts. With these pills, you save fifty-three minutes in every week." "And what do I do with those…

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Post by didibus »

sindriava wrote: post #154
didibus wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They might hate those too? It's pretty clear there are impacts, AI needs energy, consumes material, creates trash. You probably just don't mind it. The fact is still fact, the conclusion is different, you assess it's not a big concern in the grand scheme of it and worth it for the pros. The author doesn't care much for the pros, so then any environmental impact is a net loss for them. I feel both take are rational.

They might be rational, but taking things out of context as much as happens with any AI / environment narrative gives off a strong "arsenic-free cauliflower" smell.

If you take a report like this: https://mitsloan.mit.edu/ideas-made-to-matter/ai-has-high-da...

You can:

1. Dismiss it by believing the projections are very wrong and much too high

2. Think 20% of all energy consumed isn't that bad.

3. Find it concerning environmentally

All takes have some weight behind them in my opinion. I don't think this is a case of "arsenic-free cauliflower", maybe unless you claim #1, but that claim can't really invalidate the others on their rational, they make an assumption on the available data and reason of it, the data doesn't show ridiculously small numbers like it does in the cauliflower case.

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Post by exdeejay_ »

brabel wrote: post #57
notfed wrote: post #4

"I strongly feel that AI is an insult to life itself." - Hayao Miyazaki I'm going to start using this quote.

You should see the context in which he said that. It was 2016. It was no ChatGPT he was talking about. It was some truly bizarre art that was going on back then, like a sort of humanoid form trying to learn how to walk without being given instructions... it would do disturbing things like us its head as if it was a limb and move in completely unnatural ways... that's what he, and most who watch that video, found so d…

For more context to whoever is interested, the dialogue following the quote goes like this:

  Studio Ghibli producer, Suzuki: "So, what is your goal?"
  ML Developer: "Well, we would like to build a machine that can draw pictures like humans do."
    
   Miyazaki VO: "I feel like we are nearing to the end of times."
                "We humans are losing faith in ourselves."
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngZ0K3lWKRc

Of course, the form of AI has changed over the years, but the claim that this quote could be tied to Miyazaki's general view on having machines create art is not totally baseless.

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