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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by simpaticoder »

starkparker wrote: post #180
simpaticoder wrote: post #59

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I have a 1st gen Framework 13, Intel 11th gen CPU, running Ubuntu 24. It had a faulty design around the BIOS battery on the motherboard that I had to fix, and do some soldering on[1]. It's remarkable because they didn't say "Send the laptop in and we'll fix the design defect" they said, "First take a photo of the inside of the laptop to verify the serial number, then place an order, then do the repair yourself." This…

> Additionally, and non-trivially, the laptop's battery life is not good, and it drains very quickly on suspend Drain on suspend in particular has largely been resolved on newer mainboards, firmware, and kernel updates, though I don't have an 11th-gen Intel and haven't run Ubuntu for a long time. Kernel updates fixed this on my 12th-gen, firmware updates fixed it on my 7040, and my Ultra 7 155H never experienced this…

I'd happily accept a replacement motherboard. They aren't offering that though ,but I'd be impressed if they did.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by nrp »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #150
skywal_l wrote: post #135

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Any hope for a 75 keyboard? With home/end/pageup/pagedown on the side?

Wouldn't it be possible to have a side add-on similar to the numeric keypad but the width of the spacer or LED matrix to accomplish this? Maybe a revamped keypad that has home, end, page up, page down, and then a bunch of assignable macro keys would work well.

Yep, definitely possible!

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by tracker1 »

hnuser123456 wrote: post #185
starkparker wrote: post #145

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Specifically 11:04: https://youtu.be/0RzUBqtgODM?t=664 > Something that we hear over and over again across our entire product lineup is that people want pointing sticks. You might know it as trackpoint from other brands. The little nubs that you can use as a mouse. Obviously, if you're a ThinkPad user, former ThinkPad user, that might be something that you're very familiar and comfortable with. And so, it is somethin…

Most laptops have rubber bumpers around the screen to create a small airgap when the screen is closed, and even if you stack several laptops on top of each other, the bottom one's screen won't flex enough to touch the keyboard. Maybe with the more rigid lid, they can enable this?

Given the longevity goals with their modular designs, I'm guessing they're unlikely to make dramatic changes to their overall design in less than 5-7 years time from initial release. Such a screen change would likely require new hinge design as well as a thicker display casing, not to mention the risk of someone putting the trackpoint keyboard in a model that doesn't have the thicker display section.

I am thinking that something with a nub on a 2-axis slider as opposed to rocker switches could be an option, but that would potentially have drift issues. Not to mention the Framework keyboards themselves are probably mostly a COTS solution, where something like I'm thinking would require custom R&D an likely be limited release. If Framework, Dell and Lenovo could work together, they could probably come up with a good solution... though Lenovo likes the Fn button in the corner, where most others prefer Ctrl then Fn.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by tracker1 »

codr7 wrote: post #186
noooooooph wrote: post #50

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I recall Dell had laptops in the past at some point that had blue trackpoint-like nubs

And they were complete trash in comparison to the ones on ThinkPads imo.

I don't think more modern ThinkPads are much better... they have a shorter keyboard depth than the earlier models and the feel overall is significantly reduced... I understand as most people don't generally want a "thick" notebook.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by panzerboiler »

ezst wrote: post #188
panzerboiler wrote: post #78

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You assume it wrong. You can click-to-drag and scroll simultaneously without issues on an Apple trackpad.

How does that work? You've got to tap the touchpad to trigger the initial click, don't you? For some reason, I really HATE tapping a touchpad (let that be an Apple or otherwise), it breaks my flow, I suppose? (like, you have to pause at the cursor's location, lift, tap twice to initiate a dragging event, then finally move on) whereas on the ThinkPad I daily drive I do all the cursor movement/scrolling with my right h…

You click and drag with one finger and you are free to scroll with two other fingers during the drag. It is a multitouch gesture. (I don't use "tap to click" since I always found it cumbersome)

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by tracker1 »

sandreas wrote: post #138
mixmastamyk wrote: post #11

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Will we ever have ECC RAM as an option?

+1 And if not, could you elaborate? It would also be a huge benefit to use a replaced mainboard as a homelab base WITH ECC support in the future. Same goes for the Framework Desktop, which features Strix Halo without ECC support, whereas ECC IS possible with Ryzen AI MAX+ 395+ PRO (e.g. HP Z2 Mini G1a).

Can't speak for Framework, but AMD themselves doesn't necessarily support this configuration so it would be on Framework to develop/test/certify a compatibility list... they'd likely only support first party modules, if anything. At least for non-pro AMD CPUs.

Likely mostly down to resources/time as to the lack of official support.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by drcongo »

bodge5000 wrote: post #82

I'm glad the AMD GPU option still exists, I don't have great experience with NVIDIA on Linux. The rest of the upgrades, like the new top cover and keyboard, are very welcome

I'm one month into owning a GMKTec Evo-X2 with the new mad AMD gpu in it and so far I've managed to get Ollama running. ROCm doesn't officially support the GPU and everything seems to be hacky workaround on top of hacky workaround. Starting to wish I'd just waited for NVIDIA to actually release the project digits thing.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by rootnod3 »

neilv wrote: post #103
soperj wrote: post #53

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Thinkpads still have buttons. I don't ever use the trackpad, just the nub and buttons.

I have bad news for you: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadp/th... Someone should scoop up the niche market of anguished ThinkPad devotees, with a TrackPoint and a good, non-chiclet keyboard. Maybe Framework, leveraging its modular system. Maybe a Framework-compatible third-party.

Why have a trackpoint if there are no buttons? Dafuq?

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by jayd16 »

panzerboiler wrote: post #78
jayd16 wrote: post #47

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I assume some gestures are simply not possible. Like click-to-drag and scroll simultaneously. Not every app handles gutter-hover-to-scroll in a usable way. On a mouse or a pad with buttons, you can keep the left click held down and scroll with the wheel or gesture. Uni-pads make this impossible.

You assume it wrong. You can click-to-drag and scroll simultaneously without issues on an Apple trackpad.

"Without issues" is a stretch. You need to use two hands or be skilled with one. Its trivial on a mouse or a pad with a discrete buttons.

But ok, what about just dragging a long distance where you would normally lift the mouse or finger? Is there some hidden gesture for this? Maybe once your initial drag finger hits the edge you need to use two more to do a move gesture? But I've seen that trigger scroll and/or pinch-to-zoom.

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