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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by sejje »

gherkinnn wrote: post #165
Ajedi32 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO this whole situation is ridiculous. #2-#4 are the government trying to impose its national laws on an entity in a completely different country, operating entirely in that completely different country, with no business relationship whatsoever with your country. It's a futile and frankly rather insulting effort; no different from if Iran declared it was illegal for UK women living in the UK to leave the house witho…

Completely besides your point, but Iran mandates a hijab (head scarf, no veil). Burkas (often blue, net in front of face) are mainly found (not sure if mandated or expected ) in Afghanistan, whereas the Saudis use niqabs (the black veils). The hijab mandate being the least repulsive. I know it's an odd nitpick, consider it a compulsion of mine.

To be fair, there's no logical problem with an example of Iran demanding UK women to wear burkas even if burkas aren't their cultural norm.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by sejje »

postexitus wrote: post #34
username332211 wrote: post #33

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How does step 5 work? Switching DNS servers is trivial.

For you - not for 99% of the public.

My dad can hardly use a mouse, but the systems I put in place for him are pretty complex. He has no idea.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by [deleted] »

macinjosh wrote: post #146
lokar wrote: post #77

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While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.

Democracy is a form of government, not an ideology. Just because +50% of an electorate thinks something is OK, doesn't make it so.

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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by fiso64 »

Bender wrote: post #181
bananalychee wrote: post #178

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If that's true you should be able to see that in the public traffic statistics.

I thought about that as well. This would be true if team-hiromoot is not cooperating with the bot owners, otherwise the bots could simply be excluded given all their traffic is authenticated with a 4chan pass. Other chans have manipulated their stats to change how active they appear so it's really hard for me to rely upon that.

At this point your hypothesis is unfalsifiable. I was on /g/ before and after the hack and didn't detect any big changes. It was as shitty as ever.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by lesuorac »

potato3732842 wrote: post #104
lesuorac wrote: post #69

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And many of those tea importers/smugglers happened to be prominent figures in the future US government. A coup was just good business.

It was terrible business. They'd have all been way better off working with the dominant global and economic power than starting a new country. And that's before you average in all the ones who lost everything and/or died.

I dunno.

Look at Musk who tried to work with the US President vs Trump who is the US president. Which one of them is gaining more?

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by [deleted] »

sunshine-o wrote: post #52
nickdothutton wrote: post #22

Step 1, pass law. Step 2, demand compliance. Step 3, upon not hearing of compliance, levy fines. Step 4, upon non payment of fines, declare in breach of (2). Step 5, block site from UK using DNS, in the same manner as torrent sites etc. 5 was always the goal, 2 to 4 are largely just performative.

This is the only power they have left. The UK government has lost control of what happen in the physical world on their own island so now the bureaucrats play a fantasy game where they are gonna enforce their rules and dominion in their former colonies or the digital world.

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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by sejje »

Gud wrote: post #86
lm28469 wrote: post #68

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You can ban 75% of the web if your concern is outdated tech stacks and/or data breaches

75%? Are you being generous because it's weekend?

Agreed--if the concern is data breaches, we can just ban 100% of databases, even those offline.

If it's outdated tech stacks, I'm sometimes in favor of those. Move fast and break things isn't always the best.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by mathiaspoint »

4ndrewl wrote: post #180
mathiaspoint wrote: post #175

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The people in charge are largely hated by the electorate. They won by default effectively due to a quirk of how UK elections work (which was less of a problem when the monarch/aristocracy was still involved to counter balance things like this, but now that that's gone the state is effectively out of control.) Unless by "democracy" you mean "sleepwalking administration everyone hates" the current UK government is unus…

Tell me about this "quirk" and winning by "default" (and how this never applied to other recent elections).

Less than 30% of the electorate voted labour. The problem is that the opposing party consistently ran as opposition but then executed on labour's policies instead so most people just didn't vote because they didn't see anyone running to vote for.

The electorate legitimately did not want these people or their policies, they effectively weren't given a choice. To call that democracy delegtimizes democratic elections.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #182
lokar wrote: post #163

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This is my point. You need to identify the source of the problem if you want to take action. Blaming bureaucrats is not helpful.

> Blaming bureaucrats is not helpful. Bureaucrats are the ones making the rules of the game we have to play. So why shouldn't we blame them?

Chain of events is the lobbyists write the policies that are handed to the politicians who vote them in, then to the bureaucrats to execute them.

But the lobbyists work for the rich and the power. They are ultimately the chefs and ones who decide what the rules will be.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by skybrian »

lenerdenator wrote: post #103
_heimdall wrote: post #30

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A similar argument can be made against the tariffs though. US consumers will be paying the bulk of the tariffs through price increases. We do have representatives in Congress, they just weren't the ones imposing tariffs. edit: as fun as silent down votes are, it would be interesting to hear where you might disagree

Unfortunately the representatives in Congress gave the tariff power to the Presidency. Now, did they do that with the approval of the voters? Ostensibly, yes, but in reality, it's not that clear-cut. This would be more like if the Thirteen Colonies had MPs and those MPs still voted in favor of the Stamp Act, or they voted to delegate the power to tariff to someone with a severe personality disorder.

There are lawsuits arguing that Congress didn’t give the executive branch this power. They seem pretty persuasive to me and they’re successful so far, but we’ll see how the appeals process turns out.
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