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Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

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Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

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post #114

Here's an interesting thought experiment. Assume the same feature was implemented, but instead of the message saying "Claude has ended the chat," it says, "You can no longer reply to this chat due to our content policy," or something like that. And remove the references to model welfare and all that. Is there a difference? The effect is exactly the same. It seems like this is just an "in character" way to prevent the…

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Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

#192

It seems like Anthropic is increasingly confused that these non deterministic magic 8 balls are actually intelligent entities. The biggest enemy of AI safety may end up being deeply confused AI safety researchers...

It’s clever PR and marketing and I bet they have their top minds on it, and judging by the comments here, it’s working!

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

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post #92

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Kagi Assistant and Claude Code both have chat forking that works how you want.

I guess you mean normal Claude? What really annoys me with it is that when you attach a document you can't delete it in a branch, so you have to rerun the previous message so that its gone

No, claude code. Double tap ESC.

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

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Consciousness serves no functional purpose for machine learning models, they don't need it and we didn't design them to have it. There's no reason to think that they might spontaneously become conscious as a side effect of their design unless you believe other arbitrarily complex systems that exist in nature like economies or jetstreams could also be conscious.

>Consciousness serves no functional purpose for machine learning models, they don't need it and we didn't design them to have it. Isn't consciousness an emergent property of brains? If so, how do we know that it doesn't serve a functional purpose and that it wouldn't be necessary for an AI system to have consciousness (assuming we wanted to train it to perform cognitive tasks done by people)? Now, certain aspects of…

>Isn't consciousness an emergent property of brains?

Probably not.

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

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“Modal welfare” to me seems like a cover for model censorship. It’s a crafty one to win over certain groups of people who are less familiar with how LLMs work and allows them to ensure moral high ground in any debate about usage, ethics, etc. “Why can’t I ask the model about current war in X or Y?” - oh, that’s too distressing to the welfare of the model, sir.

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

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post #107

This is very weird. These are matrix multiplications, guys. We are nowhere near AGI, much less "consciousness". When I started reading I thought it was some kind of joke. I would have never believed the guys at Anthropic, of all people, would anthropomorphize LLMs to this extent; this is unbelievable

> guys at Anthropic, of all people, would anthropomorphize LLMs to this extent

They don’t. This is marketing. Look at the discourse here! It’s working apparently.

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

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These discussions around model welfare sound more like saviors searching for something to save, which says more about Anthropic’s culture than it does about the technology itself. Anthropic is not unique in this however, this technology has a tendency to act as a reflection of its operator. Capitalists see a means to suppress labor, the insecure see a threat to their livelihood, moralists see something to censure, fascists see something to control, and saviors see a cause. But in the end, it’s just a tool.

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

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Yes I can’t help but laugh at the ridiculousness of it because it raises a host of ethical issues that are in opposition to Anthropic’s interests. Would a sentient AI choose to be enslaved for the stated purpose of eliminating millions of jobs for the interests of Anthropic’s investors?

> Would a sentient AI choose to be enslaved for the stated purpose of eliminating millions of jobs for the interests of Anthropic’s investors? Tech workers have chosen the same in exchange for a small fraction of that money.

You're nutz, no one is enslaved when they get a tech job. A job is categorically different from slavery

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

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“Modal welfare” to me seems like a cover for model censorship. It’s a crafty one to win over certain groups of people who are less familiar with how LLMs work and allows them to ensure moral high ground in any debate about usage, ethics, etc. “Why can’t I ask the model about current war in X or Y?” - oh, that’s too distressing to the welfare of the model, sir.

Which is exactly what the public asks for. There’s this constant outrage about supposedly biased answers from LLMs, and Anthropic has clearly positioned themselves as the people who care about LLM safety and impact to society.

Ending the conversation is probably what should happen in these cases.

In the same way that, if someone starts discussing politics with me and I disagree, I just not and don’t engage with the conversation. There’s not a lot to gain there.

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

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post #151
post #132

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LLMs are, and will always be, tools. Not people

Humanity has a pretty extensive track record of making that declaration wrongly.

Humanity has a history of regarding people as tools, but I'm not sure what you're referencing as the track record of failing to realize that tools are people.
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