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Re: Eleven Music

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Made this point elsewhere, but the music industry has been on a downward slide towards making music as cheaply as possible for some time now. If you look at Taylor Swift's first 12 number one hits, each of them was written by a different writer. Compare that to bands from 30 years ago, many of whom wrote and recorded all the songs themselves. Labels don't sign rock bands anymore because actually recording a rock band…

I disagree on the rock album being overly expensive to record Any decent studio can make a U87 on vocals, DI bass, Fender amp and several SM57s on drums sound as good as almost any album from 1970-2010 Hell I’ve seen a five part band get away with three mics total including drums and it was a smash hit Rock “died” because culture moved on, not because of it being inherently expensive to record (which it’s not)

I don't have any special industry experience. I went on a tear a few weeks ago and watched a bunch of Rick Beato's videos on YouTube. I didn't know the guy before running across his work, but he has 5 million subscribers and he sure sounds like he knows what he's talking about. He's been a music producer for 30 years.

Anyway, he was the one that made the point that we don't sign rock bands anymore in the sense that they're not moving the industry. All you gotta do is look at the top songs that folks are listening to on Spotify or the radio and you'll immediately see what I'm talking about.

He was also the one that walked through the process of setting up mics for a drum kit and pointed out that it's just very expensive to get the studio time and the expertise to do all that correctly. He actually walks you through a studio where he's set up mics for a drum kit and explains why it's so difficult to do well. He then contrasts that with simply using samples that are professionally provided and that the cost difference is just immense.

Anyway, I don't need to die on this hill. My point was the music industry is going downhill regardless and AI is just one of many tools paving the way.

Re: Eleven Music

#192

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Well put and reflects my thoughts exactly. It's borderline concerning there are people who consume this type of media by choice and forethought.

And they consume it without checking with you first. That's got to be the worst part.

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Re: Eleven Music

#193
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They said the same thing about automation when the Industrial Revolution began a century or so ago. That the common worker would be liberated from the drudgery of labor and be free for creative and intellectual pursuits. The people who protested were ridiculed as Luddites who simply feared technology and progress. Of course, because automation serves the interests of capital (being created by, and invested in, by the…

Are you suggesting that subsistence farmers were better off than workers after the industrial revolution? I find that hard to believe.

The dream then was to go to America and become a farmer and OWN your own farm. No one dreamt to immigrate to America to work in the industrial factories.

Why was that the American dream at the time if farming was the worse option?

Re: Eleven Music

#194

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Well put and reflects my thoughts exactly. It's borderline concerning there are people who consume this type of media by choice and forethought.

And they consume it without checking with you first. That's got to be the worst part.

wild take: critique != censorship. people can consume whatever they want and we can call out when the supply chain is built on unconsented scraping and zero stewardship CamperBob2

Re: Eleven Music

#195
This music sounds like the visual equivalent of one of those motion settings on a tv that cause the "Soap Opera Effect".

I'm wondering if the LLM is failing to emulate the odd and even harmonics of real recordings and that's why it seems so unnatural. It makes me feel sick. It's different than the sterile straight to digital recordings of the late 80s early 90s too.

Do any of these let people download the individual track stems? I'd be curious if taking all the stems and running them through analog hardware would remedy it. The LLM needs a producer.

Re: Eleven Music

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Tech is tech. What you create with the tech can be art.

These feels different than experimenting with a new synth or something though. It’s just feeding a sentence to the model.

How dare you! Next you will say my current pornhub prompts refined over years aren't art either! Or that prompt results are purely for personal gratification and no one else cares about them.

Re: Eleven Music

#197
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These feels different than experimenting with a new synth or something though. It’s just feeding a sentence to the model.

I draw a very sharp line: curating the outputs and crafting the sentence is enough to make it art. If neither of those happen, it's just slop. It's actually a bit like photography. A bunch of randomly taken pictures piled together is not art. It needs to be done with purpose and refinement. Basically, in my own opinion, art ≠ a function of technical difficulty. Art = Curation, Refinement, and Taste

Ah yes, my porn hub search prompts are the highest form of art and human connection.

Re: Eleven Music

#198
I tried to create a song similar to their examples. After it generated half of a song. I stopped, asked it to add a bass line - it generated a whole new song, still without a bass line. I was then out of credits. (shrug)

Re: Eleven Music

#199

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Get used to it, because it's much cheaper than a musician, and to the average person "attempting to say something through their instrument" and "random number generated solo" are largely the same thing.

> Get used to it, because it's much cheaper than a musician, and to the average person "attempting to say something through their instrument" and "random number generated solo" are largely the same thing. it's okay to just say you're not that interested in music

People do often freak out when I say that.

Re: Eleven Music

#200

This music sounds like the visual equivalent of one of those motion settings on a tv that cause the "Soap Opera Effect". I'm wondering if the LLM is failing to emulate the odd and even harmonics of real recordings and that's why it seems so unnatural. It makes me feel sick. It's different than the sterile straight to digital recordings of the late 80s early 90s too. Do any of these let people download the individual…

> I'm wondering if the LLM is failing to emulate the odd and even harmonics of real recordings

What do you mean? If you screw up even/odd harmonics it will sound far less natural, like confusing flutes and clarinets.

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