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Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Post by csomar »

casenmgreen wrote: post #150
modeless wrote: post #13

Consistency over multiple minutes and it runs in real time at 720p? I did not expect world models to be this good yet. > Genie 3’s consistency is an emergent capability So this just happened from scaling the model, rather than being a consequence of deliberate architecture changes? Edit: here is some commentary on limitations from someone who tried it: https://x.com/tejasdkulkarni/status/1952737669894574264 > - Physi…

The guy who tried was invite by Google to try it. He seems to me too enthusiastic, such that I feel Google asked him in particular because they trusted him to write very positively.

Also he is ex-Google Mind. Like the worst kind of pick you can make when there are dozens of eligible journalists out there.

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Post by michalf6 »

pizzathyme wrote: post #185
michalf6 wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nick Land kind of took this line of reasoning to its ultimate conclusion, I recommend giving his ideas a read even if they sound repulsive. "Nothing human makes it out of the near-future."

I've tried and failed to find a good starting point for his ideas. Do you recommend any?

This is pretty decent, at least the first half: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrOVKHg_PJQ

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Post by danelski »

whamlastxmas wrote: post #140
Saline9515 wrote: post #119

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It still requires work, dedication and produces authenticity. A world where AI can produce music instantly commoditizes it.

I mean you can just listen to human made music if that’s an important part of the experience for you. I doubt humans are going to stop anytime soon

But availability of new works shall change once the floor of how popular you need to be to survive off of art will change and it will, since not everyone will care. Taylor Swift will be fine either way, but it's not about her.

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Post by cherry_tree »

pixelesque wrote: post #132
timeattack wrote: post #75

Advances in generative AI are making me progressively more and more depressive. Creativity is taken from us at exponential rate. And I don't buy argument from people who are saying they are excited to live in this age. I can get that if that technology stopped at current state and remained to be just tools for our creative endeavours, but it doesn't seem to be an endgame here. Instead it aims to be a complete replace…

What's interesting to me along these lines is I assume most of the companies funding the research are targeting the "creative" media in terms of image generation, music generation, avatars, speach, etc. I can understand it's very interesting from a researcher's point-of-view (I'm a software dev who's worked adjacent to some ML researchers doing pipeline stuff to integrate models into software), but at the same time:…

There was a recent talk about using vision language models to train robots to do household tasks: https://youtu.be/a8-QsBHoH94

I wonder how advanced world models like genie 3 would change the approach if it all.

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Post by [deleted] »

podgietaru wrote: post #100
skybrian wrote: post #95

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We already live in a world where a vast library of songs by musicians who play much better than you are readily available on YouTube and Spotify. This seems like more of the same?

I like living in a world where I know that people who have spent actually time on nurturing a talent get rewarded for doing so, even if that talent is not something I will ever be good at. I don't want to live in a world where these things are generated cheaply and easily for the profit of a very select few group of people. I know the world doesn't work like I described in the top paragraph. But it's a lot closer to…

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Post by rowanG077 »

roboboffin wrote: post #128
timeattack wrote: post #75

Advances in generative AI are making me progressively more and more depressive. Creativity is taken from us at exponential rate. And I don't buy argument from people who are saying they are excited to live in this age. I can get that if that technology stopped at current state and remained to be just tools for our creative endeavours, but it doesn't seem to be an endgame here. Instead it aims to be a complete replace…

In theory, creativity is an infinite space. As technology advances it allows humans to explore more and more complex things; take the advancement of music as an example, synths, loops etc. If humans are not stretched to their limits, and are still able to be creative, then the tools will help us find our way through this infinite space. AI will never be able to generate everything for us, because that means it will n…

AI will not be able to generate everything for us. Just the things that are able to be explored by humans and hopefully a tad bit more. AI is already more creative than humans by a lot of measures.

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Post by bko »

podgietaru wrote: post #100
skybrian wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We already live in a world where a vast library of songs by musicians who play much better than you are readily available on YouTube and Spotify. This seems like more of the same?

I like living in a world where I know that people who have spent actually time on nurturing a talent get rewarded for doing so, even if that talent is not something I will ever be good at. I don't want to live in a world where these things are generated cheaply and easily for the profit of a very select few group of people. I know the world doesn't work like I described in the top paragraph. But it's a lot closer to…

> I like living in a world where I know that people who have spent actually time on nurturing a talent get rewarded for doing so, even if that talent is not something I will ever be good at.

Rewarded how? 99.99% of people who do things like sports or artistic like writing never get "rewarded for doing so", at least in the way I imagine you mean the phrase. The reward is usually the experience itself. When someone picks up a ball or an instrument, they don't do so for some material reward.

Why should anyone be rewarded materially for something like this? Why are you so hung up on the <0.001% that can actually make some money now having to enjoy the activity more as a hobby than a profession.

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Post by Dardalus »

dandellion wrote: post #71
brotchie wrote: post #9

First AI thing that’s made me feel a bit of derealization… …and this is the worst the capabilities will ever be. Watching the video created a glimmer of doubt that perhaps my current reality is a future version of myself, or some other consciousness, that’s living its life in an AI hallucinated environment.

I suggest you go to google/bing/whatever floats your boat and search "it will only get better" then filter results earlier than 2010. Things that I just found that were going to "only get better": - Google search - Web browsers - Web content - Internet Explorer - Music - Flight process at Mosul airport - Star Wars

Are you really trying to say that these models aren't going to get better from here? You think that the insane progress of the last 5 years just stops right here?

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Post by hnuser123456 »

casenmgreen wrote: post #162
diwank wrote: post #70

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> Future robots may learn in their dreams... So prescient. I definitely think this will be a thing in the near future ~12-18 months time horizon

I may be wrong, but this seems to make no sense. A neural net can produce information outside of its original data set, but it is all and directly derived from that initial set. There are fundamental information constraints here. You cannot use a neural net to itself generate from its existing data set wholly new and original full quality training data for itself. You can use a neural net to generate data, and you ca…

It's feasible you could have a personal neural net that fine-tunes itself overnight to make less inference mistakes in the future.

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Post by rowanG077 »

skeezyboy wrote: post #151
timeattack wrote: post #75

Advances in generative AI are making me progressively more and more depressive. Creativity is taken from us at exponential rate. And I don't buy argument from people who are saying they are excited to live in this age. I can get that if that technology stopped at current state and remained to be just tools for our creative endeavours, but it doesn't seem to be an endgame here. Instead it aims to be a complete replace…

a reminder, most of the world do manual labour in exchange for money. an LLM cant help with that and never will

There is huge progress in robotics. Which includes fruits from the LLM hype. A lot of manual labor will be able to be done by humanoid robots.
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