Tesla must pay portion of $329M damages after fatal Autopilot crash, jury says

Post by samrus » Sat, Aug 02, 2025, 11:09 AM UTC

ninalanyon wrote: post #176

naet wrote: post #84

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The argument is that if the driver was in a different vehicle he would have done just that, pulled over and picked it up, but because he believed the Tesla was capable of driving safely on it's own he didn't do so. Normally I turn the steering wheel when I want to turn my car. If you sold me a car and told me it had technology to make turns automatically without my input then I might let go of the wheel instead of tu…

Every time I engage Autopilot in my Model S it admonishes me with a notice in the instrument cluster that I am to keep my hands on the wheel. If I don't make it clear the car that I am there and holding on by applying a little rotational force to the wheel at least every fifteen seconds the car will remind me. So how does one conclude the that the car is capable of driving itself? Or is the version of Autopilot in th…

Post by mort96 » Sat, Aug 02, 2025, 11:14 AM UTC

ratelimitsteve wrote: post #47

IdSayThatllDoIt wrote: post #9

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I imagine the jury heard "autopilot" and then assigned blame to the company that called it that. "[Plaintiffs] claimed Tesla’s Autopilot technology was flawed and deceptively marketed."

do you think they heard "autopilot" or "full self driving"?

Post by DiogenesKynikos » Sat, Aug 02, 2025, 11:16 AM UTC

bko wrote: post #53

furyofantares wrote: post #31

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> This doesn't hold up logically unless I'm missing something, certainly the victim wouldn't be getting fined 329 million if it was decided to be his fault for not looking at the road I hope we haven't internalized the idea that corporations should be treated the same as people. There's essentially no difference $3M and $300M fine against most individuals, but $3M means very little to Tesla. If you want Tesla's behav…

> If you want Tesla's behavior to change - and other automakers take notice and not repeat the behavior - then the fine must be meaningful to them. What behavior do you want them to change? Remove FSD from their cars? It's been nearly 10 years since released and over 3bn miles driven. There's one case where someone died while fetching his cell phone. You would think if it was really dangerous, people would be dying i…

Post by lblume » Sat, Aug 02, 2025, 11:20 AM UTC

earthnail wrote: post #190

ivape wrote: post #188

Car travel is such a weird thing. The other day I was walking on the driver side of a wide street where cars were passing me by very fast. Most of us are usually an arms length away from passing cars when we do that, roughly an arms length away from being hit at 20+ mph, yet humans do this careful beam walking without flinching. It’s the American version of Indians riding the roof of a train. If you goto a third worl…

And yet it works surprisingly well. When I lived in London, people waiting for the tube were leas than an arm’s length away when it rushed in. Blew my mind. Eventually I got used to it and did the same.

Post by wouldbecouldbe » Sat, Aug 02, 2025, 11:21 AM UTC

lblume wrote: post #197

earthnail wrote: post #190

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And yet it works surprisingly well. When I lived in London, people waiting for the tube were leas than an arm’s length away when it rushed in. Blew my mind. Eventually I got used to it and did the same.

The difference is that the tube driver (assuming there even is one) can't just decide to take a slight turn from the planned route, while the car driver really might.