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NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

#191

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The problem is even if they had values, American voters chose to elect someone without values. I do not understand this griping about rolling over when over half the nation votes for a treasonous leader. At that point, the only option left is war.

that's an insane pov. is it really your sincere proposition that after an American presedential election, there should be no expectation of anyone to criticise the winner, no matter what they do? really?

The context of this discussion is a university doing what it needs to gain access to money from the federal government.

>approximately everyone has rolled over

I did not say anything about not criticizing the winner. An "elite" can criticize all they want, but for day to day actions, when the opposing side has all 3 branches of government, willingly given to them by the majority of the population, I can't blame someone for not sacrificing themselves.

My point is this isn't some small group of radicals that weaseled their way in, this is more than half the "country" (if you can call it that), seeing the first term and really his whole life, and saying we want more of this chaos.

Edit: Yes, I know the nominal votes do not add up to half the voters, but practically, if you are to bet on the level of support you would get from opposing the winner, surely you are going to assume the non voters will be fine with however you are treated by the winner, especially this winner with his well known track record.

Effectively, I would expect support of far less than half of my fellow citizens. If you can't be bothered to vote, you're definitely not going to be bothered to do anything more.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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I'm guessing that Terence really wants to be surrounded by thinkers of his calibre. So he gravitated to the ivy league. Perhaps in the future there will be a new gravity well where these minds congregate?

That there should be only 8 places in the world where you can find elite thinkers, all located in the US, is such extreme American nationalism and straight up ignorant.

Sure, there's also two such places in the UK.

Thing is, I do find myself missing the one I spent nearly a decade living in, because such networks are self-sorting and I didn't realise how rare it was until I failed to find it again after leaving.

(Still, Berlin is doing me good in almost all other aspects besides being able to accidentally find I've moved right around the corner from the same pub frequented by the author of PuTTY and a co-author of the proof that Magic The Gathering is Turing-complete and one of the Debian project leaders (seriously, all three went to the same pub, and I didn't know before I moved to Cambridge the first time back in 2007)).

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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I'd consider that the issue isn't centralisation so much as that can be very useful, but that rich/connected people are not penalised for breaking laws. It's absolutely bizarre to me that a convicted felon can run for president and apparently win. It's not surprising to then see that position be abused for personal profit and petty revenge. Centralising research efforts can make a lot of sense if you want to gather t…

What you are describing seems to me to be a direct side effect of centralization. If the USA was just one country in a sea of two hundred roughly equal countries, the majority would quickly say "we will not allow that person to be a leader". But since the USA is basically the world's richest and most powerful entity, the rest of the word begrudgingly tolerates the leader that has somehow come to power, simply because…

I disagree - we have a general principle around the world that a democratically elected "leader" is the result of the votes from the population and thus should be recognised at representing those people. The problem is when democracy is subverted with various methods such as gerrymandering districts, making it harder for some demographics to vote, removing voter registrations of certain demographics, misrepresentation of facts by the mainstream media etc.

It is a real problem with countries declaring "democratic elections" which are mere shams of democracy.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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I expect most people here are (like me) admirers of Terence Tao, and fans of his work.

But, if UCLA is indeed an institution that routinely violate civil rights law, would we still want our taxes to fund it?

For those objecting to any reduction in federal funding, is this because:

A) You believe UCLA complies with civil rights law (perhaps with small, isolated exceptions that are driven not by policy but by rogue employees), OR

B) You believe there should be enforcement of the law, but it should take a different form, OR

C) Something else?

I live in California, and have some interest in state agencies operating within the law, and for the benefit of all.

UCLA, where Terence Tao works, is part of the University of California system (a state school). Like other UC campuses, UCLA receives substantial federal funding.

There are good reasons to believe that UCLA has, for many years, engaged in racial discrimination in both hiring and admissions. But the issue is whether anyone with legal standing can actually take the school to court and win.

IANAL but my understanding is as follows. If an individual were to sue the school, they would need to be an individual student who had applied and been rejected. But any court case would take years. It is likely that, part way through that process, that individual student would have graduated from another college, and no longer be seeking undergraduate admissions. Thus they would lack standing and the case would be dismissed as moot.

That's why in SFFA vs. Harvard, the plaintiff was a membership organization. As Harvard was continuing to discriminate, there were always new members to join the organization who did individually have standing, even as some of the existing members lost standing.

In any civil suit over admissions policies, UCLA holds two major advantages over individual complainants:

- Vast resources: UCLA has deep pockets with which to pay lawyers.

- High stakes: UCLA has a lot to lose.

But the folks who are injured are recent high school graduates:

- Limited financial means: When you were 18yo, could you have scraped together money to pay lawyers? Most 18yo kids wouldn't even have the money to pay the court filing fee.

- Minimal personal upside: By the time any case progresses, these students have already enrolled elsewhere. Transferring to UCLA mid-degree, even if they win, would be disruptive and often undesirable.

UCLA is currently being sued by a membership organization. In a couple of weeks, they will file their response to this complaint: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.95...

One of the people who initiated the lawsuit is Richard Sander, a professor at UCLA: https://law.ucla.edu/faculty/faculty-profiles/richard-h-sand...

Some folks don't like this: https://dailybruin.com/2025/04/21/ucla-law-students-lead-pro...

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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The party largely fully supports Israel.

I live in Europe and according the common media outlets, the US absolutely, totally, forever support Israel. "largely" is too weak of a word here. And now honnest question: why is this support so strong in the US ? are the ties with the jewish/israely community so deep between these two peoples ?

The real story here is the way Zionism has so deeply and intensely and succesffully managed to tie Jewishness to Israel-iness.

And so many people who are rightfully proud of their Jewish ethnicity and cultural identification -- a rich and beautiful culture that has had absolutely outsized contributions to art, science, culture in the west, with a history of being persecuted and mistreated by said "west" -- have become defacto "citizens-abroad" and advocates for Israeli positions in all things.

That combined with a deep and historical distrust of Islam in western culture...

It's the same story here in Canada. How deep the bank account for this blank cheque is, I don't know.

I should say that as a left wing critic of what happens in the middle east under Israel's banner, I am also deeply uncomfortable with some of the anti-Semitic tinge some forms of the protest take. It's a conundrum.

It is absolutely important to make it clear the criticism is of the actions of Israel, and not "Jews"

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

#199

Background: UCLA violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, "by acting with deliberate indifference in creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students." Outcome: These grants are likely in a temporary holding pattern until ucla settles the issue.

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Was it really the Zionists that did this? Or a Trump administration that enjoys disrupting academia and experts in general.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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The consequences of this Cultural Revolution will be felt for decades.

I would say at least a century

If an alliance decades in the making can be undone in six months it wasn’t much of an alliance in the first place. Just a bunch of countries subsidizing their defense budgets off the backs of the poor and middle class in the US (NATO).
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