Israeli public figures call for ‘crippling sanctions’ on Israel over Gaza starvation
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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler
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#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
Deuteronomy 9:4 > After the Lord your God has driven them out before you, do not say to yourself, “The Lord has brought me here to take possession of this land because of my righteousness.” No, it is on account of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord is going to drive them out before you. I think there is a common belief that Israel was "given" the land beyond the Jordan because they were God's chosen people…
The entire bible is a story of the Jewish people losing their land due to moral failings. Repeatedly. From Judges through 2 Kings, Israel repeatedly loses divine protection precisely because of its own wickedness. Being “chosen” meant bearing covenantal responsibility, not enjoying a blank moral check. Deuteronomy 20:15-18 is more appropriate to the current conflict, as it relates to how the Jews should fight wars in…
This continues to be relevant:
> “When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.”
― Jiddu Krishnamurti
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#193The game theory, as per recent events, is as follows: 1. Hamas doesn't accept a two-state solution. 2. Israel is therefore forced into implementing a one-state solution.
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#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
This isn't an occupation, it's an ethnic cleansing.
Deuteronomy 9:4 > After the Lord your God has driven them out before you, do not say to yourself, “The Lord has brought me here to take possession of this land because of my righteousness.” No, it is on account of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord is going to drive them out before you. I think there is a common belief that Israel was "given" the land beyond the Jordan because they were God's chosen people…
> Deuteronomy seems to imply Israel were just the least bad people.
As written by a member of "the least bad people". If you're going to have a historical look at events then, you need to take sources with a grain of salt.
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#195In ideal world international peacekeeping forces would be deployed in Gaza. The peace and two state solution could only be enforced by imposing severe sanctions on Israel including possibility of aerial NATO strikes like in the former Yugoslavia.
Is two-state solution possible? Just look at the map of the territories under palestinian control, they're bantustans. Israel/Palestine is factually one state, which simply doesn't accept half of its population as citizens. You could also say that "two-state solution" has been tried in 1948, but (for whatever reasons) didn't work out. So support for 2-state is just a form of delaying the inevitable. I am now firm bel…
At the moment, the two sides only agree on wishing the other dead. So even in the ideal world it is a very remote possibility.
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#196Once Gaza and the West Bank are taken care of, will Lebanon, Jordan, or Syria be next? Israel very much depends on being the dominant power in the region. If they lose US support, things could get ugly indeed. And they are losing support rapidly now.
I think if Israel went the lebensraum route, it would be WW3 for real.
Nah, the world would let it happen.
Or more accurately, the world would let the US let it happen. And the US would probably fund it.
And the world would feel so, so sorry as they paved over the mass graves and built AI data centers and luxury hotels in what used to be Gaza.
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Israeli jews and their supporters in places like Egypt, engaged in terrorist attacks like bombing bus/train stations. The goal was to turn the population against the jewish populations within these countries, so they would have no choice but to join the European Zionist Jews. Egypt even passed laws protecting Jews from reprisals. Zionists dishonestly call the reprisals to the jewish terrorist attacks "pogroms".
Once in Israel, the European jews who founded Israel called these Mizrahi jews "black animals" in the German pidgin, yiddish, these European Jews still spoke then. The white supremacist European Jews of Israel wanted to force these "black animals" to live in the desert, using them as cheap laborers. But, the Mizrahi forced their way into recently ethnically cleansed areas and took over the homes of the Palestinians who had been forced out by the European Jews (to make way for more European Jews). The Mizrahi even formed a Black Panther Party, but it was mostly cosplaying, as they just wanted stuff for themselves, there was no ideology against exploitation like the real Black Panthers in California.
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#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
Deuteronomy 9:4 > After the Lord your God has driven them out before you, do not say to yourself, “The Lord has brought me here to take possession of this land because of my righteousness.” No, it is on account of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord is going to drive them out before you. I think there is a common belief that Israel was "given" the land beyond the Jordan because they were God's chosen people…
Keep in mind this was written by man. People are being murdered thousands of years later because of the ancient Judea equivalent of 'Harry Potter', and the batshit insane people who still believe it in earnest.
No, they're being murdered thousands of years later because of the long history of bad blood between the two groups. The religious documents are just a pretext.
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#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
Deuteronomy 9:4 > After the Lord your God has driven them out before you, do not say to yourself, “The Lord has brought me here to take possession of this land because of my righteousness.” No, it is on account of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord is going to drive them out before you. I think there is a common belief that Israel was "given" the land beyond the Jordan because they were God's chosen people…
The entire bible is a story of the Jewish people losing their land due to moral failings. Repeatedly. From Judges through 2 Kings, Israel repeatedly loses divine protection precisely because of its own wickedness. Being “chosen” meant bearing covenantal responsibility, not enjoying a blank moral check. Deuteronomy 20:15-18 is more appropriate to the current conflict, as it relates to how the Jews should fight wars in…
> The entire bible is a story of the Jewish people losing their land due to moral failings.
Plus the general idea that humans in general are morally flawed, sinful, etc. But, "Good news!" If you follow the one true god, that'll all be sorted out. Following the classic marketing strategy of creating a need, and then filling it.
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#200In ideal world international peacekeeping forces would be deployed in Gaza. The peace and two state solution could only be enforced by imposing severe sanctions on Israel including possibility of aerial NATO strikes like in the former Yugoslavia.
Isreal proposed international peacekeeping forces in Gaza, but Hamas has rejected it. If I may quote Izzat al-Rishq, a member of the Hamas political bureau, "We stress our people's rejection of the presence of any non-Palestinian actors on our land." [ https://www.anews.com.tr/world/2024/04/02/hamas-says-no-to-i... ]. They only accept aid organizations.
> Isreal proposed international peacekeeping forces in Gaza
Given the history of Israel with the UNIFIL...