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Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by blitzar »

dcminter wrote: post #39
TrackerFF wrote: post #23

When you offer "unlimited", you're immediately exposing yourself to the 0.1% of userbase that will absolutely treat it is unlimited. Whale users/hoarders. This has been a known problem since the dawn of hosting...hell, it goes back to times before computers. One thing I miss for the other users, i.e. the casual users that never use anywhere near of their quota, is rollover. If you haven't used your quota this month,…

One does find it occasionally. My mobile phone plan (in Sweden) currently says that I have 774G left of my 25G/month quota for example :)

Data limits are easier to keep "unlimited" by slowing the speed, which was already finite, to barely servicable levels. If it is clearly laid out this seems a reasonable solution.

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Post by wat10000 »

NiloCK wrote: post #137
conartist6 wrote: post #32

"I firmly believe that AI will not replace developers, but a developer using AI will replace a developer who does not." Ugh, anyone who says that and really believes it can no longer see common sense through the hype goggles. It's just stupid and completely 100% wrong, like saying all musicians will use autotune in the future because it makes the music better. It's the same as betting that there will be no new invent…

Do the people in this corner use compilers? Would they agree that programmers who don't use them* have been replaced by those that do? *: I'm aware of cases like the recent ffmpg assembly usage that gave a big performance boost. When talking about industrial trend lines, I'm OK with admitting 0.001% exceptions. (Apologies if it comes across as snarky or pat, but I honestly think the comparison is reasonable.)

There are technologies that become de facto requirements for work in a field. For software, compilers and version control both qualify.

But... what else? These things are rare. It’s not like there’s a new thing that comes along every few years and we all have to jump on or be left behind, and LLMs are the latest. There’s definitely a new thing that comes along every few years and people say we have to jump on or be left behind, but it almost never bears out. Many of those ended up being useful, but not essential.

I see no indication that LLMs or associated tooling are going to be like compilers and version control where you pretty much can’t find anyone making a living in the field without them. I can see them being like IDEs or debuggers or linters where they can be handy but plenty of people do fine without them.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by avereveard »

benreesman wrote: post #171
epistasis wrote: post #6

I'm trying to cancel my Claude plan right now, because mid-research I got hit with a one hour time out for the first time, and I realized just how little I need the "expensive" research stuff and just want basic language refinement and some basic augmented knowledge search to get more terms to search the web. And all that basic stuff gets cutoff when you hit some invisible barrier that you have no way of controlling…

I've now got it behind OpenRouter on Bedrock and Vertex and am rotating in K2 and Qwen more and more as I learn how to get the most of them because the silent degredation and work avoidance heuristics are not a variable I need in an already difficult expectation management regime to my stakeholders. At the rate the Chinese are going it won't be long before I can shake the dust off my sandals of this bullshit for good…

Qwen3 coder is very good and a tenth of clcaude price on openrouter. And has a :free version for light usage.

I still revert to gemini pro 2.5 here and there and claude for specific demanding tasks, but bulk token go trough open weight model at the moment.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by hinkley »

Insanity wrote: post #107
OtherShrezzing wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might not have noticed in all the frustration, but you got overcharged. 170 + 20% VAT is 204, not 206.50. Maybe they added a card fee in at the end, but if they didn’t make that abundantly clear, they’ve broken a law in most countries which use the Euro.

Why 20% VAT? Different EU countries have different tax brackets, so OP might not have had 20%.

There’s a European country with a 21.470588235% tax rate? No I think GP is right and there’s a hidden 2.50 handling fee.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by LeafItAlone »

conartist6 wrote: post #32

"I firmly believe that AI will not replace developers, but a developer using AI will replace a developer who does not." Ugh, anyone who says that and really believes it can no longer see common sense through the hype goggles. It's just stupid and completely 100% wrong, like saying all musicians will use autotune in the future because it makes the music better. It's the same as betting that there will be no new invent…

I believe it. Maybe not replace 100%, but effectively replace it.

I believe that at some point, AI will get good enough that most companies will eventually stop hiring someone that doesn’t utilize AI. Because most companies are just making crud (pun intended). It’ll be like specialized programming languages. Some will exist, and they may get paid a lot more, but most people won’t fall into that category. As much as we like to puff ourselves up, our profession isn’t really that hard. There are a relative handful of people doing some really cool, novel things. Some larger number doing some cool things that aren’t really novel, just done very nicely. And the majority of programmers are the rest of us. We are not special.

What I don’t know is the timing. I don’t expect it to be within 5 years (though I think it will _start_ in that time), but I do expect it within my career.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by boleary-gl »

victorbjorklund wrote: post #139
jennyholzer wrote: post #67

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I'm sure that is how many photographers felt about digital cameras and photo editing software when it first came. Now very few professional photographers work without digital cameras and photo editing software (even if it is just to tweak some colors). Yes, you will still have some artists making money with purely analog cameras without any touch up but they are a tiny minority of the photographers getting paid for t…

It's probably true in our industry too - I'm sure that when people started using programming languages instead of writing machine code people looked down on them too.

This will be another abstraction layer that MANY people will use and be able to accomplish things that would have been impossible to do in a reasonable amount of time in machine code.

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