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When we get Komooted

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Re: When we get Komooted

#191

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replace globe with a complete set of detailled maps.

And not at home but on your phone, with integrated GPS tracking.

OpenStreetMap doesn't have that. Services downstream from OpenStreetMap, like Komoot, OsmAnd, and Organic Maps do, but OpenStreetMap doesn't have any offline mode or anything (and only has very rudimentary GPS tracking on the website, for centering the map on your general location to make editing easier)

Re: When we get Komooted

#192

The more I see Bending Spoons in the news, the more I realize how shitty of a company it aims to be. I once applied to their job listing. I adored the idea of working there. Now all I can think about is "I'm glad they rejected me"

Without 20/20 hindsight, it's hard to be so sure about the dividing line between one epoch and another as time marches on.

For instance it took until about 2010 to confirm that we were already headfirst into the Garbaceous Period by 2005, but it was just not that obvious at the time.

Before you know it the Enshittocene crept up without fanfare but the type of extinction it foments might not have been possible without the decline in conditions that came before.

Re: When we get Komooted

#193

> Unsustainable growth is not just ideology but an imperative, and it’s blatantly unsustainable. In a 2023 interview, Hallerman revealed that Komoot’s revenue was roughly split between recurring subscriptions and new users making one-time payments for map regions, with ad revenue making up a small remainder. That means they had to keep signing new users and expanding into new markets to stay in business. Komoot relie…

They had 250 employees, plus paid influencers, for a (predominantly) cycle routing app used in Europe. That’s why it was unsustainable. A realistic sized business would have been sustainable.

Re: When we get Komooted

#194
I interviewed at Komoot some 4-5 years ago and the people there were probably some of the worst I've ever interviewed with.

The task was to create a React app with no other dependencies other than vanilla Leaflet, which would allow you to draw routes on the map, and it should allow you to export the route as a GPX. I had 8 hours to do it.

They kept shitting over my solution for a good hour on the call for god knows what reason. Snarky remarks the whole time. If you're so dissatisfied, there's no point unless you take joy in doing so.

Knowing better today, I should've just thanked them and left the meeting.

Re: When we get Komooted

#195
The more I see how businesses work, the more I think that every employee should be guaranteed a certain amount of shares on selling out, without an end date, and not requiring the employee to be working in the company at the time.

Not monopoly money options, categories, valuations etc, but a guaranteed percentage of the entire price. The same privileges that the founders & C-suite has.

Re: When we get Komooted

#196

I am not a lawyer, but don't employees (and maybe even users) have a breach of contract claim here? At least in the US, if you tell me 'We'll never sell out' and I take a job with no equity because of it, that's a verbal legal contract and I have grounds to sue if you then sell out. In theory, at least, our legal systems discourage/prevent this sort of lying and backstabbing. In practice, perhaps not.

You’ll have to hire a lawyer, and then hope yours is at least as tenacious as their expensive team of lawyers. It becomes quite a gamble, and one that can drag on for years costing you more and more until you’re broke.

Re: When we get Komooted

#197
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Why?

Because in Europe we believe that with ownership also come responsibilities. For instance to care about your employees, prevent destruction of nature, etc. Things you can wrap in insane complex laws or just manage through a social contract between the tarif partners (employees and employers). We all lose if this contract is broken.

Don't presume to speak for "Europe". It's a big place with a wide diversity of viewpoints.

We all lose when employers have a paternalistic relationship with employees. It's better for everyone to keep things strictly transactional.

Re: When we get Komooted

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Next years article: When We Get Bikepacked Never believe a company that you are part of a community if the content you create for them cannot be exported and published somewhere else. I am especially sceptical if someone says they never sell.

The users were always the real service provider. All the value is in what they tell each other through their data. All Komoot does is aggregate it, supply the infra structure. The only way to stop owners pulling the rug underneath all this community given content is by keeping the content open source. Promise the users you will do best with their data by keeping it out in the open so that if you don't, someone else w…

Is someone even trying to open source that type of content (routes, pois)?

Re: When we get Komooted

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Try saying that on LinkedIn and watch the reactions. There is a huge difference between what you can feel and do, and what you can say.

I saw a post recently on linkedin. A founder was saying "If you had one year to live, would you still choose to work at this company? That is the bar to join ". It was so incredibly sad.

Boy, please share. I need something depressing to laugh about

Re: When we get Komooted

#200
>In getting komooted, we feel the pain of not being represented in the companies we work for and the platforms we use. Komoot was supposed to be special, the darling of the German startup scene. A unicorn not only in terms of prospective valuation but also in its good working conditions and a progressive mission of enabling access to the outdoors.3 The owners’ assured their long-term commitment with the mantra “we won’t sell.”

Is there a legal way to ensure that a company adheres to claims like "we won't sell"? It seems that trusting companies with their word without any underwriting is foolish

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