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Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by wslh »

bigyabai wrote: post #182
wslh wrote: post #163

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I'd suggest that top non-Apple businesspeople try using a MacBook for a few weeks, hopefully it sparks some fresh thinking and decisions. Like it or not, Apple's advantage in battery life (and processor efficiency) is remarkable. If I recall correctly, Samsung made a real dent in the iPhone's lead with the Galaxy S2 around 2011, four years after the iPhone launched in 2007. But with the M1 chips released in 2020, App…

> businesspeople Well, there's your leading qualifier. Covid taught us that businesspeople can do their work on an iPad with Google Docs if they had to. It's not much of a surprise to anyone that they can do their work on a Mac with a souped-up iPhone processor. My shock with Apple Silicon is how it collapses with non-browser-oriented tasks. The moment I stop watching YouTube it's like I'm back on Linux in 2008 again…

I referred to business people who can take decisions in companies such as Lenovo, Samsung, and Microsoft to see how far are they.

Your experience as a developer doesn't represent a generalized view and that's why many developers use Apple computers. People are different.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by psanford »

OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #129
OptionX wrote: post #26

Any word on a compibily layer project for x86/64 like Rosetta? Seems like an important thing to have imo. The article mentions an emulator, but it seemed to be for running games. I also heard MS had something similar in their arm dev kit, but haven't looked much into it.

There's lots of responses but they miss the point. Rosetta let you run x86/64 apps without even knowing they were x86/64. Back when I ran Asahi, I searched far and wide, but Linux doesn't support that level of transparent integration. You always had to fuddle with the launch params.

You can run x86 steam games on asahi easily now. muvm makes it quite easy to run x86 binaries fairly transparently on arm.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by matheusmoreira »

dismalaf wrote: post #184
Neikius wrote: post #155

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I have a tuxedo 14" i7-12700H with 3050. And it is terrible. Specs are nice, price was hefty, but in the end it does not deliver. Battery is horrible, charging is disruptive, power budget is not enough. All stems from the nvidia card that I paid serious bucks to get included but it makes a decent laptop into a very bad one as the power delivery system just does not seem to be able to cope with it. Anyway I would go w…

The laptop 3050 card is the worst piece of computer hardware I've ever owned. Literally just heats up the laptop and still delivers shit performance. I've got an MSI laptop and I've settled on simply never using the Nvidia card (prime-select iGPU only). The integrated graphics have access to 16gb of ram (versus the Nvidia card's 4gb) and deliver better performance without the whole laptop hitting 100 degrees.

I have a Clevo-based laptop. Our experiences were similar. The nvidia dGPU offers terrible performance and doesn't do much besides heat up the laptop. I disabled mine via the firmware. The CPU reaches 90 degrees when given almost any sort of load. It quickly thermal throttles itself down to uselessness despite three loud fans. I often have to use systemd shells with CPU quotas to manage this.

I hope the Asahi Linux project succeeds so I can buy the fabled Apple silicon laptops just to run Linux on them.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by matheusmoreira »

mzur wrote: post #63
pentamassiv wrote: post #7

If you are thinking about getting a Tuxedo, I suggest to get something else. I got one because they promised fwupd support, upstreamed drivers and maybe coreboot support. None of that is working even years afterwards. People from the kernel got so fed up with them, they considered blacklisting them [1]. That seemed like a wakeup call as they now at least started with upstreaming drivers. If you want to change some se…

I'm a happy user of my second Tuxedo laptop after using the first for over 7 years, repairing several parts. I found their support very responsive and spare parts affordable. Your points are valid though. If you don't like their custom stuff, the device also works fine with a stock Linux install (Ubuntu in my case).

They're also the only OEM that replied to me when I was trying to reverse engineer a similar laptop to theirs. I think that alone should put them into a league of their own. Only two companies have ever properly replied to me when I asked about source code or hardware documentation: one is a chinese company, the other is Tuxedo.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by aurareturn »

kllrnohj wrote: post #133
lbrito wrote: post #128

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Pretty sure there are plenty of traditional x86 Linux laptops that have north of 12h battery life. System76 comes to mind (mandatory "System76 is just a Clevo wrapper" comment).

My AMD Framework 13 running Fedora (an officially supported option: https://frame.work/linux ) also gets around that amount of battery life. And can run games surprisingly well.

  My AMD Framework 13 running Fedora (an officially supported option: https://frame.work/linux ) also gets around that amount of battery life. And can run games surprisingly well.
Macs don't throttle when you unplug it. All AMD laptops do.

Even when plugged in, AMD laptops are quite a bit slower than Macs. When unplugged, it's not even close.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by aurareturn »

bgnn wrote: post #178
volemo wrote: post #157

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But do they weigh 3 lbs at the same time?

Laptops with Intel Lunar Lake (i.e. 258V) CPUs get upwards of 12 hours easily, often in 15-18 hour range depending on the battery size. Just a quick search reveals for example Dell XPS 13 9350 (Core Ultra 7 258V) is Ubuntu certified [1], weighs 2.6 pounds, and has long battery life (17-18 hours video streaming on Windows). [1] https://ubuntu.com/certified/202407-34214

Lunar Lake laptops throttle a lot when unplugged. They run benchmarks plugged in and in maximum performance mode but battery benchmarks in max battery mode.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by darthrupert »

kllrnohj wrote: post #133
lbrito wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure there are plenty of traditional x86 Linux laptops that have north of 12h battery life. System76 comes to mind (mandatory "System76 is just a Clevo wrapper" comment).

My AMD Framework 13 running Fedora (an officially supported option: https://frame.work/linux ) also gets around that amount of battery life. And can run games surprisingly well.

Does it really? I had an AMD framework at one point, and I seem to remember 5 hour use times on battery, max.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by darthrupert »

lbrito wrote: post #128
fb03 wrote: post #127

I'm still waiting for the apple laptop killer (a 12h+ laptop with plain Ubuntu) but it's still brittle as fuck. I'm so frustrated by the current state of the mobile computing space. I have to have an Apple locked down device, which I hate, just because I want proper battery life. A aarch64 Ubuntu vm inside MacOS runs faster and lasts more time than a booted up Ubuntu on arm in these devices. This is how far behind th…

Pretty sure there are plenty of traditional x86 Linux laptops that have north of 12h battery life. System76 comes to mind (mandatory "System76 is just a Clevo wrapper" comment).

Lenovo X1 Carbon g13 gets you close to 12h. Also similar results for other laptops using the same CPU, such as Asus Zenbook S14.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by pimeys »

microtonal wrote: post #102
bee_rider wrote: post #61

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I’ve used it from probably… 2010 or so, to now. I recall some stuff like WiFi being vaguely annoying in the beginning. But, things seemed to get pretty good post 2015. You were here for the really hard stuff, and missed the beginning of the good times, I think. Unlucky! Oh well. Welcome back!

I did use a Ryzen Linux desktop from ~2018-2020 besides a MacBook, but Apple Silicon was so insanely good when it was introduced that I went back fully back to Mac on the desktop. But Ryzen mobile APUs have been catching up. I have also used headless Linux machines throughout my Mac vacation :). With regards to the hard stuff. 1994-2007 was from my 12th to my 25th, basically overlapping with when I was a high school/…

The only problem with this approach is that I don't want to use Apple's software, or rely on a commercial operating system. The hardware is great, but not so much the software.
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