What I would like to see in a fake meat is a product engineered to have lower level of histidine, since there is evidence that gut microorganism processing of histidine creates a chemical that causes atherosclerosis.
Beyond Meat fights for survival
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Is this really a problem with Beyond Meat or a problem with our policies not correctly pricing meat due to not caring about the environment or animal welfare?
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Why do you fucking think? Because it's tasty. You can disagree with the ethics of how we make animals suffer because they taste nice and still think they taste nice.
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Have you never enjoyed a burger and a beer with your friends? Or is that you fail to see the social component of eating?
Doesn't seem relevant. There's a decent amount of veggie/vegan options these days without using fake meat. Fake meat isn't really a product for vegetarians/vegans. It's is a product aimed at creating vegetarians/vegans, and that's going to be much harder.
> Fake meat isn't really a product for vegetarians/vegans
This is just flat-out wrong.
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#194So the biggest problem here is that Beyond Meat has a huge debt due in just 2 years: That’s a problem given that $1 billion in convertible bonds come due in March 2027. Beyond Meat has no way to repay that debt, and the credit markets know it: The bonds currently trade at about 17 cents on the dollar. To put the "$1B" number into the context, Beyond Meat sold $300M worth of plant-based meats last year, and made a net…
That's got to be an incredible expenditure then. Considering their pricing compared to the better store brand alternatives, while not lacking any scale disadvantages, I expect high margins on the products themselves.
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True. People would have said the same in defence of colonialism, slavery, genocide etc. Generations later it's easy to look back and say "of course that stuff was bad, I would have fought against it too".
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That’s a funny way to say genocide
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#196I kinda think beyond meat is for ppl who care about taste. You can fake meat taste and texture much cheaper.
For ppl who care about nutrients, artificial meat seemingly gets more expensive and you also need licenses probably and what not.
Health wise it's in your own best interest to eat animals that fave been able to forage and graze in the sun. See Vitamin d and so on. Those ppl won't buy factory slurry.
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#197The hidden message of the title: Plant based alternatives may not succeed. I don’t believe that. I rather see more and more friends and people avoid eating meat or reduce their consumption drastically. Many buy plant based alternatives to milk as well. Twenty years ago only a few people would ask for oat/soy milk when ordering a coffee. But these days many do. I have been eating plant based meat alternatives for four…
> The hidden message of the title: Plant based alternatives may not succeed. I don't see this message in there. If you ask me the real message is that companies trying to sell overly processed, way too expensive, imitations of "something" will struggle. They're trying to sell a very expensive mechanical horse. Just give people a car. Maybe it's a US thing where people are more emotionally attached to the concept of t…
Often I think it's largely based on the types of food people grew up with. Meat and potato diets seem to struggle with reducing the meat part of their diet. People often try to eat the same stuff but substitute meat with bad imitations of meat. In other places, as an example, Indian food has plenty of choices without meat and is delicious.
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> Plant based alternatives may not succeed. I don’t believe that. Neither do I, but it's a highly competitive market that competes with both the established industrial meat market, as well as people actually educating themselves on cooking without "meat". I've always seen people buying "meat replacements" as kind of lazy, let's just swap one thing out for another, instead of find / cook something different entirely.…
Soy and oat milk is also incredibly expensive compared to cow for what it is. Same for most supermarket tofu in the West. The cheapest own-brand tofu in Tesco is the same as the beef mince (£6.50/kg). And even though I like tofu, it's 90% water and that's a terrible deal. A 500g pack of tofu doesn't go nearly as far as 500g of beef mince. Meanwhile you can buy it in a UK Chinese supermarket for under £3.50 per kg.
In the Netherlands it's dirt cheap in all supermarkets. 550g package, so 500g of tofu is €3.72/kg, soy milk is €0.80/l.
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Is this really a problem with Beyond Meat or a problem with our policies not correctly pricing meat due to not caring about the environment or animal welfare?
The market decides the price. We don’t need politicians and biased scientists moralizing about what we can and can’t do and what we should care about.
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