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Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by kccqzy »

fkyoureadthedoc wrote: post #152
pxeger1 wrote: post #113

Relatedly, all Google apps (e.g. Maps) on iOS try very hard to push Chrome on you (even though iOS Chrome still has to use WebKit). When you click an external link, they present you the options of Chrome, Google (the search app), or Safari. This happens even if you don't have Chrome/Google installed, so they take you to the App Store instead of opening the webpage. If you choose Safari, it still doesn't open Safari,…

Also extremely annoying that they implement their own share menu that you have to do an extra tap on to get to the native share menu. Amazon does this as well. I assume it's so they can track what option you choose.

I don't experience this extra Share menu in Google Maps. The share button at a location directly brings up the iOS native share sheet.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by kccqzy »

pxeger1 wrote: post #113

Relatedly, all Google apps (e.g. Maps) on iOS try very hard to push Chrome on you (even though iOS Chrome still has to use WebKit). When you click an external link, they present you the options of Chrome, Google (the search app), or Safari. This happens even if you don't have Chrome/Google installed, so they take you to the App Store instead of opening the webpage. If you choose Safari, it still doesn't open Safari,…

I do not experience this at all. I remember having seen the browser choice screen in Google Maps but it consistently remembers my setting and does not nag me each time. My default browser isn't even Safari (it's Quiche Browser) and Google Maps correctly opens Quiche Browser whenever I click on a link.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by vishnugupta »

jmm5 wrote: post #189
mrkstu wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to download Google Maps in the first place- my (older teen and adult) kids don’t even have an entry point for Google, they just use Apple’s built in apps + ChatGPT.

Even Google Search relentlessly nags you to download the Google Search app.

Is it useful anymore? I switched to DDG a few years ago and then OpenAI search. Even when I was on DDG exclusively I didn’t miss Google search at all. And occasionally when I use Google search I get terrible results filled with garbage ads and the likes.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by fkyoureadthedoc »

kccqzy wrote: post #191
fkyoureadthedoc wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also extremely annoying that they implement their own share menu that you have to do an extra tap on to get to the native share menu. Amazon does this as well. I assume it's so they can track what option you choose.

I don't experience this extra Share menu in Google Maps. The share button at a location directly brings up the iOS native share sheet.

I don't use Google Maps, YouTube is what I was thinking of.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by amiga386 »

p0w3n3d wrote: post #166

First of all. We must not agree that all the market will be taken by one engine (i.e. Chromium) Sadly there's no incentive for this, of course we have Firefox (still, right?) but it may perish because of underfunding for example. We used to have opera, IE, those engines are lost. So what I think about the EU directive is that it basically allows one company (Google) take over the whole market. Because what we have to…

> Firefox [...] may perish because of underfunding

Hindsight is 20/20, but remember that Google has paid Mozilla 3.8 BILLION DOLLARS in the past 10 years alone: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation#Finances

You could do a lot with 3.8 billion dollars, if you spent it on your core mission and not chasing Bay Area trendy shit. Mitchell Baker is still there, making phat bank, she's just the chair of the Mozilla Foundation instead of being the CEO of Mozilla Corporation.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by pickledoyster »

khalic wrote: post #84
pickledoyster wrote: post #55

On top of that, iOS continues to push Safari on users by disregarding their default browser settings. Steps to reproduce: 0. Select a different default browser, delete the Safari app (just for good measure, even though it's not really possible just like deleting IE in older Win versions) 1. Open the Books app 2. Select text 3. Select Search 4. Press Search the Web 5. Safari search results open as you stare in disbeli…

This is because the safari app is a wrapper for apple’s webview, which is the only way to display web content on iOS, that’s what the article is talking about

No. This is not webview, this is opening a full Safari browser instance and disregarding the user's default browser setting. It also used to be the case with doing a dictionary look up anywhere in iOS too, where the user selects a word, uses the popup menu to Loop Up, and then selects Search Web. This resulted in the absurd situation where you're using your default browser, looking up a word, selecting Search Web and then having Safari (again, not the default browser) open with a search query. Thankfully, at least that behavior has changed recently

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by SirMaster »

jmm5 wrote: post #189
mrkstu wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to download Google Maps in the first place- my (older teen and adult) kids don’t even have an entry point for Google, they just use Apple’s built in apps + ChatGPT.

Even Google Search relentlessly nags you to download the Google Search app.

Hmm, mine doesn't seem to do this.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by RamblingCTO »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #164
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #159

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Hear me out, I have a tinfoil hat theory. What if, those requirements weren't put to help small shops making a new browser, but to guarantee the big shops who already have a browser are getting fined? * hits bong *

And this is why the EU's GDP versus the US is now only 65% and shrinking. The regulations are about beating US companies into compliance, sometimes with righteous motives; but there's no forethought on how a domestic EU startup might be able to comply, or how a startup would convince investors to take the gamble.

you mean the US GDP is bigger because the US lacks consumer and environmental protection?

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

RamblingCTO wrote: post #198
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this is why the EU's GDP versus the US is now only 65% and shrinking. The regulations are about beating US companies into compliance, sometimes with righteous motives; but there's no forethought on how a domestic EU startup might be able to comply, or how a startup would convince investors to take the gamble.

you mean the US GDP is bigger because the US lacks consumer and environmental protection?

Everything has tradeoffs. You can protect children extremely well, if you mandate that every household have a live-in social worker, subsidized by the government with a 30% caretaker tax on top of standard income tax. If a government were to pass such legislation, do you hate children and love money that much to want to repeal it?

At some point, protections are not feasible - and the EU's "consumer and environmental" protections are apparently unfeasibly expensive in their current form to have a competitive economy. This is also self-defeating, as only in the context of a competitive economy, would these protections have any merit or be enforceable. Beggars can't be choosers.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by v5v3 »

v5v3 wrote: post #190
Tepix wrote: post #3

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Yes, Thank you! Someone has to do it, Apple is clearly dragging their feet as much as possible.

Just so you know, my post thanking you has 15 upvotes at present. So 16 people are thanking you together.

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