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The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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Re: The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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Your may agree or disagree with the OP, but this passage is spot-on: "I don’t want AI customer service—but I don’t get a choice. I don’t want AI responses to my Google searches—but I don’t get a choice. I don’t want AI integrated into my software—but I don’t get a choice. I don’t want AI sending me emails—but I don’t get a choice. I don’t want AI music on Spotify—but I don’t get a choice. I don’t want AI books on Ama…

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Re: The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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Is it yours? They use it for their decision making process. When you use a pen for your writing processes, are you outsourcing the process of writing to the pen? Or are you using it? When the first thing you say to a stranger is an insult, I wonder, is that a domestically-produced decision? Doesn't seem very high-quality.

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Re: The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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Is "How do you set up an encrypted file on linux that can be mounted and accessed same as a hard drive." literally what you put into the search bar? if so, that's the problem. try "mount luks encrypted file" or "luks file mount". too many words and any grammar at all will degrade your results. it's all about keywords edit: after trying it myself i quickly realized the problem - luks related articles are usually about…

Your version assumes that the user knows that luks exists in the first place, OP's does not.

OP specifically said they were looking for luks commands.

Re: The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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post #124
post #66

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even ddg has integrated AI now and while it can be disabled, the privacy aspect seems to mean that ddg regularily forgets my settings and re-enables the ai features. maybe i'm doing something wrong here, but even ddg is annoying me with this.

I agree it’s annoying that the setting seem to change all the time, but you can use noai.duckduckgo.com

The settings don’t change, but they are stored in anonymous local storage, so if that is cleared they go away. If you use our browsers though this is managed through the browser.

Re: The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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post #53

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Is "How do you set up an encrypted file on linux that can be mounted and accessed same as a hard drive." literally what you put into the search bar? if so, that's the problem. try "mount luks encrypted file" or "luks file mount". too many words and any grammar at all will degrade your results. it's all about keywords edit: after trying it myself i quickly realized the problem - luks related articles are usually about…

Google hasn't really worked like you imagine for a decade.

then why did my keyword-based approach work better than the natural language approach?

Re: The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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The issue is that you have to put in more effort to solve a problem using AI, than to just solve it yourself If I have to do extensive subtle prompt engineering and use a lot of mental effort to solve my problem... I'll just solve the problem instead. Programming is a mental discipline - I don't need help typing, and if using an AI means putting in more brainpower, its fundamentally failed at improving my ability to…

This overlooks a new category of developer who operates in natural language, not in syntax.

Natural language is inherently a bad programming language. No developer, even with the absolute best AI tools, can avoid understanding the code that AI generates for very long

The only way to successfully use AI is to have sufficient skill to review the code it generates for correctness - which is a problem that is at least as skilful as simply writing the code

Re: The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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post #90

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The issue is that you have to put in more effort to solve a problem using AI, than to just solve it yourself If I have to do extensive subtle prompt engineering and use a lot of mental effort to solve my problem... I'll just solve the problem instead. Programming is a mental discipline - I don't need help typing, and if using an AI means putting in more brainpower, its fundamentally failed at improving my ability to…

This overlooks a new category of developer who operates in natural language, not in syntax.

So they don't understand the syntax being generated for them?

Re: The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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You might be conflating capitalism (owning things like factories) with consumerism (buying things like widgets). If all of the factory owners discover a type of widget to sell that can incidentally drive down wages the more units they move, it's unlikely for consumers to be provided much choice in their future widgets.

The lowest cost (either purchase price, or to produce) products don't create a monopoly $30 blenders that break in 3 months haven't bankrupted Vitamix

Search, music streaming, books: heavily consolidated markets where the value-based offering has supremacy (Google vs any paid search; Spotify/Apple Music vs Tidal; Amazon vs anything). It's the market supremacy that generally allows this.

If quality were a sufficiently motivating aspect, Google's deteriorating search wouldn't be a constant theme on this site, and people on the street would know where to download and play a FLAC file.

Re: The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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As far as I can tell, the AI-hate is most prominent in tech circles (creativity too, but they don't like media generation, largely embrace text though). It seems here on the ground in non-tech bubble land, people use ChatGPT a ton and lean hard on AI features. When Google judges the success of bolted on AI, they are looking at how Jane and John General Public use it, not how xleet007 uses it(or doesn't). There is als…

Ok but TFA says only 8% of REGULAR PEOPLE want these features so if you're going to directly contradict the source material we all just read (right???) you should bring a citation because otherwise, in light of the data in the article you are ostensibly discussing, I don't know how that's "as far as you can tell."

Re: The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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post #134

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By "unpredictability", we mean that AIs will return completely different results if a single word is changed to a close synonym, or an adverb or prepositional phrase is moved to a semantically identical location, etc. Very often this simple change will move you from "get the correct answer 90% of the time" (about the best that AIs can do) to "get the correct answer Whenever people talk about "prompt engineering", the…

What you're describing is specifically the subtle nature of LLMs I'm pointing at; that changing of a single word to a close synonym is meaningful. Why and how they are meaningful gets pushback from the developer community, they somehow do not see this as being a topic, a point of engineering proficiency. It is, but requires an understanding of how LLMs encode and retrieve data. The reason changing one word in a promp…

What you are describing is not natural language programming, it's the use of incantations discovered by accident or by trial and error. It's alchemy, not chemistry. That's what people mean when they say it's not reproducible. It's not reproducible according to any useful logical framework that could be generally applied to other cases. There may be some "power" in knowing magical incantations, but mostly it's going to be a series of parlor tricks, since neither you nor anyone else can explain why one prompt produces an algorithm that spits out value X whilst changing a single word to its synonym produces X*-1, or Q, or 14 rabbits. And if you could, why not just type the algorithm yourself?

Higher level programming languages may make choices for coders regarding lower level functionality, but they have syntactic and semantic rules that produce logically consistent results. Claiming that such rules exist for LLMs but are so subtle that only the ultra-enlightened such as yourself can understand them begs the question: If hardly anyone can grasp such subtlety, then who exactly are all these massive models being built for?

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