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Re: Tools: Code Is All You Need

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Post by forrestthewoods »

zahlman wrote: post #185
forrestthewoods wrote: post #31

Unpopular Opinion: I hate Bash. Hate it. And hate the ecosystem of Unix CLIs that are from the 80s and have the most obtuse, inscrutable APIs ever designed. Also this ecosystem doesn’t work on Windows — which, as a game dev, is my primary environment. And no, WSL does not count. I don’t think the world needs yet another shell scripting language. They’re all pretty mediocre at best. But maybe this is an opportunity to…

> Python environment is a clusterfuck. Which UV is rapidly bringing into something somewhat sane. Uv is able to do what it does mainly because of a) being a greenfield project b) in an environment of new standards that the community has been working on since the first days that people complained about said clusterfuck. But that's assuming you actually need to set up an environment. People really underestimate what ca…

Ok?

Re: Tools: Code Is All You Need

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Post by tonyarkles »

sarchertech wrote: post #156
threatofrain wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Off the shelf Chinese drones is somewhat vague, we can just say DJI. Their full drone and dock system for the previous generation goes for around $20k. DJI iterates on this space on a yearly cadence and have just come out with the Dock 3. 54 minute flight time (47 min hover) for fully unmanned operations. If you're talking about fpv racing where tiny drones fly around 140+ mph, then yeah DJI isn't in that space.

That hardly seems like it would take the US 10 years to replicate on a war footing aside from the price. I mean if we’re talking dollar to dollar comparison, the US will likely never be able to produce something as cheaply as China (unless China drastically increases their average standard of living).

There’s a really weird phenomenon too with drones. I’ve used Chinese (non-drone) software for work a bunch in the past and it’s been almost universally awful. On the drone side, especially DJI, they’ve flipped this script completely. Every non-DJI drone I’ve flown has had miserable UX in comparison to DJI. Mission Planner (open source, as seen in the Ukraine attack videos) is super powerful but also looks like ass and functions similarly. QGC is a bit better, especially the vendor-customized versions (BSD licensed) but the vendors almost always neuter great features that are otherwise available in the open source version and at the same time modify things so that you can’t talk to the aircraft using the OSS version. The commercial offerings I’ve used are no better.

Sure, we need to be working on being able to build the hardware components in North America, and I’ve seen a bunch of people jump on that in the last year. But wow is the software ever bad and I haven’t really seen anyone working to improve that.

Re: Tools: Code Is All You Need

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Post by outworlder »

65 wrote: post #155
soulofmischief wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the claim for AR, not VR, and you're just noticing how research and development cycles play out, you can draw comparisons to literally any technology cycle.

That is in fact the claim for VR. Remember the Metaverse? Oculus headsets are VR headsets. The Apple Vision Pro is a VR headset.

> The Apple Vision Pro is a VR headset.

For some use cases it is indeed used for VR. But it has AR applications and all the necessary hardware and software.

Re: Tools: Code Is All You Need

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Post by outworlder »

forrestthewoods wrote: post #171
nativeit wrote: post #167

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What do you suppose the proportion is of computers actively running Windows in the world right now, versus those running some kind of *nix/BSD-based OS? This includes everything a person or machine could reasonably interface with, and that's Turing complete (in other words, a traffic light is limited to its own fixed logic, so it doesn't count; but most contemporary wifi routers contain general-purpose memory and pro…

I think if someone were, for example, to release an open source C++ library and it only compiles for Linux or only comes with Bash scripts then I would not consider that library to be crossplatform nor would I consider it to run everywhere. I don’t think it’s “just semantics”. I think it’s a meaningful distinction. Game dev is a perhaps a small niche of computer programming. I mean these days the majority of programm…

Unix is everywhere. Except for Windows Desktops and a few places that like to run Windows Server enviroments. Those are increasingly rare.

Re: Tools: Code Is All You Need

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Post by TeMPOraL »

golergka wrote: post #160
foobarbecue wrote: post #29

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Hype cycle for drones and VR was similar -- at the peak, you have people claiming drones will take over package delivery and everyone will spend their day in VR. Reality is that the applicability is more narrow.

People claimed that we would spend most of our day on the internet in the mid-90s, and then the dotcom bubble burst. And then people claimed that by 2015 robo-taxis would be around all the major cities of the planet. You can be right but too early. There was a hype wave for drones and VR (more than one for the latter one), but I wouldn't be so sure that it's peak of their real world usage yet.

Which is why I think there are two distinct kinds of perspective, and for one of them, AI hype is just about at the right levels - and being too early is not a problem, unless it delays things indefinitely.

I wrote about it recently here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44208831. Quoting myself (sorry):

> For me, one of the Beneficiaries, the hype seems totally warranted. The capability is there, the possibilities are enormous, pace of advancement is staggering, and achieving them is realistic. If it takes a few years longer than the Investor group thinks - that's fine with us; it's only a problem for them.

Re: Tools: Code Is All You Need

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Post by forrestthewoods »

outworlder wrote: post #194
forrestthewoods wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think if someone were, for example, to release an open source C++ library and it only compiles for Linux or only comes with Bash scripts then I would not consider that library to be crossplatform nor would I consider it to run everywhere. I don’t think it’s “just semantics”. I think it’s a meaningful distinction. Game dev is a perhaps a small niche of computer programming. I mean these days the majority of programm…

Unix is everywhere. Except for Windows Desktops and a few places that like to run Windows Server enviroments. Those are increasingly rare.

So Unix is everywhere. Except for the places it’s not.

And “increasingly rare” does not mean “rare”. And even if it were “quite rare”, which it isn’t, that doesn’t imply “not supported”.

And just to add salt to the wound Linux is a profoundly worse dev environment. It’s quite the tragedy.

Re: Tools: Code Is All You Need

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Post by freetinker »

foobarbecue wrote: post #29
pclowes wrote: post #5

Directionally I think this is right. Most LLM usage at scale tends to be filling the gaps between two hardened interfaces. The reliability comes not from the LLM inference and generation but the interfaces themselves only allowing certain configuration to work with them. LLM output is often coerced back into something more deterministic such as types, or DB primary keys. The value of the LLM is determined by how well…

Hype cycle for drones and VR was similar -- at the peak, you have people claiming drones will take over package delivery and everyone will spend their day in VR. Reality is that the applicability is more narrow.

Drones are delivering. Ukraine?

Re: Tools: Code Is All You Need

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Post by skydhash »

jasonthorsness wrote: post #9
mindwok wrote: post #3

More appropriately: the terminal is all you need. I have used MCP daily for a few months. I'm now down to a single MCP server: terminal (iTerm2). I have OpenAPI specs on hand if I ever need to provide them, but honestly shell commands and curl get you pretty damn far.

I never knew how far it was possible to go in bash shell with the built-in tools until I saw the LLMs use them.

Spurred by macos switch to zsh, I've gone all in on zsh customization (with oh-my-zsh). But since I've moved to Linux, it's been bash daily (with a brief fish interlude). Everything under the sun works with bash.
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