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Fakespot shuts down today after 9 years of detecting fake product reviews

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Re: Fakespot shuts down today after 9 years of detecting fake product reviews

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Some company paid be 100 bucks to change my review to be positive so they sent the money via PayPal no problem then I changed the review to say they paid me to write a glowing review and of course Amazon ended up removing the review for being harmful to their customers

wow, full circle.. and just.. what to even do with that

Just buy from anywhere else? It's not like there aren't plenty of other stores on the internet selling whatever garbage you need.

Re: Fakespot shuts down today after 9 years of detecting fake product reviews

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So Amazon is complicit in fraud.

It’s fun to be outraged but a more nuanced read is that Amazon is stuck battling all kinds of fraud and it can be hard to differentiate. They also have a massive problem with fake bad reviews where a competitor spams competing products to try to increase sales of their own. They have so many flavors of fraud that it’s very hard to get it right consistently at scale. Not am Amazon fan, and please let’s not do the Redd…

You make good points, but I'm not convinced this isn't deliberate on the part of Amazon. First, Amazon deliberately keeps buyers in the dark - e.g. sellers can pay extra to avoid comingling, but Amazon gives buyers no way to find this out. Second, this kind of reckless approach to fakes is what enabled Amazon's rapid growth over traditional retailers with hand-picked, verified goods. It's not surprising they try to sweep problems with their approach under the rug.

Perhaps not 'complicit', but with a reckless disregard towards fraud.

Re: Fakespot shuts down today after 9 years of detecting fake product reviews

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It was falling behind. The dodgy stores were getting more creative and Fakespot needed to play catch up. You've got stores that would include a $5-$20 coupon/gift card in the item in exchange for a positive review. Sure, this didn't 1:1 translate but if a user did it would look like a legitimate review. You've got a plethora of LLMs out there just itching to GENERATE. Then an expensive option I was suprised happened…

> Feel a bit dirty doing it but that's ok I've got 12 vacuums that can clean my conscience. All it takes to lose civilisation is for everyone to think as selfishly as this.

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Re: Fakespot shuts down today after 9 years of detecting fake product reviews

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It was falling behind. The dodgy stores were getting more creative and Fakespot needed to play catch up. You've got stores that would include a $5-$20 coupon/gift card in the item in exchange for a positive review. Sure, this didn't 1:1 translate but if a user did it would look like a legitimate review. You've got a plethora of LLMs out there just itching to GENERATE. Then an expensive option I was suprised happened…

> Feel a bit dirty doing it but that's ok I've got 12 vacuums that can clean my conscience. All it takes to lose civilisation is for everyone to think as selfishly as this.

Nah, civilizations been running on this attitude since it's inception, and here we are.

There's never been a magical golden age where people were any different than they are.

Re: Fakespot shuts down today after 9 years of detecting fake product reviews

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My own form of Amazon punishment for allowing fake reviews is to send back their falsely reviewed crap on their own dime. If they want to save $$ they should clean up the review process.

What about things that break after a while, when you can’t anymore send it back ?

Reviews don't work well for those anyway since the product will have been discontinued by then and replaced with a slightly different one.

Re: Fakespot shuts down today after 9 years of detecting fake product reviews

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Did Mozilla score some absolutely unrelated deal with Amazon by any chance recently? They killed DeepSpeech very same day NVIDIA paid them $1.5mil

DeepSpeech shuttered in 2021. The repo was just made read-only the other day

April 12 2021

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-partners-with-nv...

https://venturebeat.com/business/mozilla-winds-down-deepspee...

Re: Fakespot shuts down today after 9 years of detecting fake product reviews

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you're supposed to report this to amazon customer service not via a review. just send em a photo of the bribe and they'll verify it. yes it's not as satisfying but they can't validate your review unless you also posted a photo.

Well, last week Amazon customer support flow routed me to an LLM chat bot which hallucinated a 1-800 number to call which was most definitely not Amazon on the other end. That's the real usefulness of LLMs: blackhole any dissent now that your monopoly is fully operational.

It was always free to ignore customers. A thin layer of AI slop doesn't change the behavior. Competition should close the loop here, but free markets don't exist and power has marketshare has been consolidated.

Re: Fakespot shuts down today after 9 years of detecting fake product reviews

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Did Mozilla score some absolutely unrelated deal with Amazon by any chance recently? They killed DeepSpeech very same day NVIDIA paid them $1.5mil

Not that I'm aware of. But I do know that in late 2024, Amazon made a change where users now have to be logged in to view product reviews beyond the ones that appear on the first page (about 8 reviews). From what I can tell, Fakespot scraped the Amazon product listing pages on their backend, so that simple change would have pretty much killed its current implementation.

Indeed. You would need a plugin running on user computers, or maybe even control over User Agent. Insurmountable blocker for Mozilla.

Re: Fakespot shuts down today after 9 years of detecting fake product reviews

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I can understand going for the "free upgrade" the first time around, but why continue racking up more vacuum cleaners after that? Do you plan to sell them later?

It’s the rational option if someone is giving you something for less than it costs you and the moral implications of the action is minimal (at best).

Probably the most HN-coded response I can imagine to someone asking why you would possibly want 12 vacuum cleaners.

Re: Fakespot shuts down today after 9 years of detecting fake product reviews

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What I don't understand is why some law firm, heavy with Ivy league predators, does not eye Amazon's fraud engine as a pot of generational gold to be taken? Sure, it will take some effort, but that's a huge pot of gold just sitting in the open with this blatant fraud in broad daylight.

There’s an old law school adage that A students become professors, B students go to work for C students. It's similar for "shark attorneys," who will typically hail from tier 2 and 3 schools. They're the aggressive hustlers.

> There’s an old law school adage that A students become professors

If I were a law school professor, I’d probably also say that.

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