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Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

#191

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It can be: https://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/01/chinese-bittorrent-the-gift...

Careful. This guy doesn't like HN and you'll get a picture of a testicle if you click.

I do like the commitment of registering a whole domain for no other purpose as to be able to spam a single picture, though.

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

#192

That's easy. Register the domain in Russia, China, Iran, or similar country. Run the website in Alibaba. Let them attempt to send legal toilet paper to Russia or China. I'm sure that will end well.

Yes - the solution to run any illegal activity on the internet: just register the domain in "Russia, China, Iran, or similar country".

You should tell the TOR folks about your findings, they can finally shutdown the darknet and just move their stuff to China.

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

#193

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>A lawyer friend of mine once laid it out for me: "in litigation, if you go to court, even if you win, you lose" In my country we have a phrase for this exact scenario: "the punishment is the process". When the government or a powerful person wants to fuck with you, all they have to do is drag you endlessly through the court system, even knowing they'll loose. Because the experience will be 100x more painful for you…

Is there a limit how many concurrent lawsuits can be thrown at one person?

No, not technically, however in the US there are the SLAPP statutes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_publ...

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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> Is this legal? Why wouldn't it be? You're not actually hosting a tracker in this case, only looking at incoming connections. And even if you do run a tracker, hard to make the case that the tracker itself is illega. Hosting something like opentrackr is like hosting a search engine, how they respond to legal takedown requests is where the crux is at, and whatever infra sits around the tracker, so police and courts c…

The Anti-Circumvention Clause in the DMCA says "No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology [...] is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title [or] has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title"

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

#195
This reminds me of the time I ran an NTP pool server, then withdrew it. The IP address kept getting NTP requests for months. It was no big deal, NTP is a lightweight protocol, but it was a reminder that IP addresses keep reputations for a very long time. Same thing with domain names, I guess.

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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> Is this legal? Why wouldn't it be? You're not actually hosting a tracker in this case, only looking at incoming connections. And even if you do run a tracker, hard to make the case that the tracker itself is illega. Hosting something like opentrackr is like hosting a search engine, how they respond to legal takedown requests is where the crux is at, and whatever infra sits around the tracker, so police and courts c…

The Anti-Circumvention Clause in the DMCA says "No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology [...] is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title [or] has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technologi…

It seems difficult to argue that this would apply, because what would the "technological measure to control access" be that a bittorrent client (or tracker) is circumventing?

I also don't know of any precedent where bittorrent software/client itself was ruled illegal (but am not a lawyer).

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

#197

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Is this legal isn’t a useful question. The better question is how likely are you to get sued? With civil lawsuits it doesn’t matter if it’s legal you can be sued and harassed by lawyers if you get on their radar.

This is definitely the right pragmatic take. A lawyer friend of mine once laid it out for me: "in litigation, if you go to court, even if you win, you lose". The reality is that court sucks, and getting sued sucks for all but the ultra-wealthy (who can absorb the cost). For those of us with less than $100MM, court is a universe to be avoided.

Don't underestimate this.

My family members sued each other over a small inheritance. 5 kids fighting over a couple million dollars. Case has dragged out across almost 4 decades. Lawyer fees dwarfed the size of what was being fought over several times over. Some family spent time in jail for contempt of court... Family members then put up all their personal assets to keep fighting. Then they lost and were faced with a judgment that left them destitute well into their retirement years with no way to earn new money. Some family members are still appealing and fighting adjacent court battles (property seizure, etc). This process has consumed the last decades of their lives and everything they worked their whole lives for.

Not only would I say never end up in court, I'll extend you one further. Never get the government involved in your personal relationships.

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Anti-Circumvention Clause in the DMCA says "No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology [...] is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title [or] has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technologi…

It seems difficult to argue that this would apply, because what would the "technological measure to control access" be that a bittorrent client (or tracker) is circumventing? I also don't know of any precedent where bittorrent software/client itself was ruled illegal (but am not a lawyer).

The technological measure to control access is probably a crawler looking for standard download links for lawyers to send out C/D letters.

Good question though, would love to know what specific tech is in use (or if it's just "finding it on search engines organically")

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

#199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this legal isn’t a useful question. The better question is how likely are you to get sued? With civil lawsuits it doesn’t matter if it’s legal you can be sued and harassed by lawyers if you get on their radar.

This is definitely the right pragmatic take. A lawyer friend of mine once laid it out for me: "in litigation, if you go to court, even if you win, you lose". The reality is that court sucks, and getting sued sucks for all but the ultra-wealthy (who can absorb the cost). For those of us with less than $100MM, court is a universe to be avoided.

Which is why, ideally your access to the court system should NOT be dependent on your wealth.

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

#200

In other words, you can DDoS any ip for the cost of registering a domain and publishing a specific DNS record.

More harming I think is that you can redirect all the DMCA complaints that come from aggressive intellectual property holders at a residential IP address. ISPs will just cancel your account, despite how legal running a tracker may be.
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