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Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by tired-turtle »

ty6853 wrote: post #130
lo_zamoyski wrote: post #117

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This sounds good. It is important that we recognize all of the purposes of punishment instead of overemphasizing one or neglecting the other. Punishment has three ends: retribution, rehabilitation, and deterrence. It is important that you pay for your crime for the sake of justice; it is charitable and prudent to rehabilitate the criminal, satisfying the corrective end of punishment; and would-be criminals must be gi…

One of the most baffling elements of the justice system is how little the victim is involved in the justice. 'Society' should not lord the lion's share of the justice decisions over the victims. Quite often the victim would prefer compensation and release over getting fuck all while the perpetrator languages in prison at the tax dollar of the victim. Much of 'justice' has been usurped from the victim into a jobs camp…

Distancing the victim from the outcome of sentencing is by design and, arguably, for the better in a democracy. Crimes violate the social order, not just the victim. It behooves us all to have a system wherein (in theory) the system, not the victim, applies a set of rules to determine punishment, as contrary as that might seem to one’s sense of self, morals, etc. It’s a part of why “justice is blind.”

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by crote »

koakuma-chan wrote: post #38
TheGrumpyBrit wrote: post #29

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You can make the exact same argument about employers paying different rates depending on the country the employee is based in, and for all the same reasons. Is there a good reason why a developer in Thailand or India should be paid less than their colleague who works on the same team, but is based in the US? Many companies believe so - there's a significant difference in the cost of living between those two employees…

> and employers believe it is fair to adjust the salary to provide a similar quality of life to both That's bullshit. E.g. electronics cost the same in all countries.

Sure, but how much of your wage do you spend buying electronics? The vast majority of my salary goes to fixed expenses like housing, food, healthcare, energy, and transport. Those are all highly location-dependent.

In location A you might spend 80% of your salary on fixed expenses, whereas in location B you only need to spend 20% of that same salary to pay for those expenses - leaving you with far more money for discretionary spending.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by Scoundreller »

dfxm12 wrote: post #150
ty6853 wrote: post #130

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One of the most baffling elements of the justice system is how little the victim is involved in the justice. 'Society' should not lord the lion's share of the justice decisions over the victims. Quite often the victim would prefer compensation and release over getting fuck all while the perpetrator languages in prison at the tax dollar of the victim. Much of 'justice' has been usurped from the victim into a jobs camp…

I think you're confusing or conflating civil and criminal courts. If someone breaks a law, that's generally a matter for the state to decide in a criminal court. If someone was damaged (i.e. if the victim feels the perpetrator owes them compensation), that's a matter for them to bring up themselves in the civil courts. These are separate functions; one situation could be tried in both courts. A famous example off the…

> A famous example off the top of my head is that even though OJ Simpson wasn't criminally convicted of murder of Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman, a civil court found him liable, awarding tens of millions of dollars in damages, to be paid to their families.

The trick here is to be fortunate enough to have a biiiiig monthly retirement pension that the courts can barely touch, or enough wealth to have already bought your mother a nice house (though I now read OJ screwed that up by not transferring her the title).

https://www.southcoasttoday.com/story/news/nation-world/1997...

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-dec-01-me-59847...

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by djrj477dhsnv »

pookha wrote: post #164
riv991 wrote: post #27

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In his earlier blog post that this one links, he says: > I've spent just under 10 years of my life in Prison (all for non-violent drug crimes.)

Him claiming he's in prison for non-violent crimes (like he's your local herb dealer) takes gumption...Authorities linked his Carfentanil escapades to several deaths.

Indirectly causing a death doesn't make a crime violent. A doctor guilty of fatal negligence isn't a violent criminal either.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by glommer »

esseph wrote: post #118
UncleEntity wrote: post #31

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/me putting on my Law & Order hat Why should the taxpayers be burdened by the results of his bad decisions? /me takes off hat

Taxpayers are clearly wasting money on this guy. Sounds like he gets out in 10 months, and an incredible amount of money gets spent keeping him there.

I wrote a letter to the judge to support his early release. My initial plan was to hire him once he was out. I am very sad he was denied his request.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by glommer »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #185
glommer wrote: post #171

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If you are asking me if I spoke to whoever before hiring Preston... why would I? Whatever he did wrong in the past, he had 10 years to atone for it.

I just presumed "all the evidence in the world" was a little more expansive I guess.

speaking to whoever Preston wronged in the past would give me information about whatever he did 10 years ago.

He has had more than enough time to pay for all of it, and he clearly has a transformed heart.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by coredog64 »

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #117
mlissner wrote: post #87

Maine's remote work program is an incredibly promising development to prevent recidivism. The amazing thing about it is that it gives real jobs to prisoners that they can seamlessly continue after they get out of prison. Normally when you get out, it's impossible to get a job, and the clock is ticking. This leads to desperation, which leads to bad behavior. There is a real risk of exploitation, but if it's properly m…

This sounds good. It is important that we recognize all of the purposes of punishment instead of overemphasizing one or neglecting the other. Punishment has three ends: retribution, rehabilitation, and deterrence. It is important that you pay for your crime for the sake of justice; it is charitable and prudent to rehabilitate the criminal, satisfying the corrective end of punishment; and would-be criminals must be gi…

You're missing a function: Removal. Locking up criminals prevents them committing additional crimes that impact the general public. Data from the last few years shows that there's definitely a Pareto aspect to criminal populations, and absent an ability to rehabilitate, removal is the next best option for society at large.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by barbazoo »

GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #169
stronglikedan wrote: post #80

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there's a good reason for that, fortunately or unfortunately. the numbers don't lie

which numbers? the property values for big office buildings?

A connection which hasn’t been proven to be meaningfully contributing to RTO.
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