I have been thinking about building a privacy-first tracking app for years now.
Funded by Mozilla (and others): https://dripapp.org/
Menstrual tracking app data is gold mine for advertisers that risks women safety
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Re: Menstrual tracking app data is gold mine for advertisers that risks women safety
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
Every single of the six links you provided are about miscarriages and not abortions. Either I don’t understand something medical (not a doctor), or you’re mixing things to derail a conversation (dishonestly or unintentionally). Whether those miscarriages were natural or a result of human malice, is an absolutely separate discussion. How does all that prove an original point that an abortion can get a woman to prison?
if an unintentional miscarriage can get you punished, then an abortion most certainly can too, since an abortion is an intentional miscarriage.
"If Poolaw had had an abortion instead of a miscarriage, she would not have been charged at all, as abortion is legal in Oklahoma."
That was definitely not what I expected.
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really don't agree. If I take a photo on my phone, it can be deleted in less than a millisecond. Shredding a paper calendar takes at least 30 seconds. I don't see denial of ownership as a legitimate strategy to data confidentiality.
It can be marked as deleted in the file table. Destroying a paper can be done on the toilet or simply eaten.
nitpick: data is at least partially recoverable for both of these examples for a period of time as well. so they are kind of soft deletes.
but yeah, probably much faster to full delete than most cloudy services with backups. along with some other anti-recovery benefits (the bodily fluids kind).
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#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a clarification for the "I didn't do anything wrong, I have nothing to hide" crowd, most of the time when someone is pregnant and then suddenly not pregnant, the cause is a miscarriage. And most people would go see a doctor if there is a lot of pain or bleeding. An overzealous prosecutor (usually running for election) is going to make the claim that you went to a doctor and now you aren't pregnant, you must have m…
Surely the burden of proof is on the prosecution? I don't have a problem with this. If a child - even an unborn one - dies in mysterious circumstances, I would prefer the inconvenience of a fruitless investigation over the prospect of living in a society where we don't even care enough to ever be suspicious.
For a conviction, yes, the burden of proof is on the prosecution. But in the meantime, you have to pay for a lawyer, and you will be sitting in jail for a year because they don't give bail for murderers. And as for the lawyer bills, the court doesn't refund you the money when you are found innocent, and it isn't going to be cheap, not for murder.
The process is the punishment.
Re: Menstrual tracking app data is gold mine for advertisers that risks women safety
#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
if an unintentional miscarriage can get you punished, then an abortion most certainly can too, since an abortion is an intentional miscarriage.
"If Poolaw had had an abortion instead of a miscarriage, she would not have been charged at all, as abortion is legal in Oklahoma." That was definitely not what I expected.
that is completely bizarre!
Re: Menstrual tracking app data is gold mine for advertisers that risks women safety
#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
Surely the burden of proof is on the prosecution? I don't have a problem with this. If a child - even an unborn one - dies in mysterious circumstances, I would prefer the inconvenience of a fruitless investigation over the prospect of living in a society where we don't even care enough to ever be suspicious.
There is nothing mysterious about a miscarriage. They are common. According to the Mayo Clinic: > Miscarriage is the sudden loss of a pregnancy before the 20th week. About 10% to 20% of known pregnancies end in miscarriage. But the actual number is likely higher. This is because many miscarriages happen early on, before people realize they're pregnant. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/pregnancy-los... S…
As I understand it, in this case, a witness saw a woman throwing a child's remains in a dumpster. After investigation, it was cleared as a miscarriage.
What would you prefer? We turn a blind eye to people disposing of bodies? Cops refuse to investigate such reports?
It sounds like everything worked as intended here. Of course it's unfortunate for the innocent woman involved, but this is clearly not a witchhunt.
Re: Menstrual tracking app data is gold mine for advertisers that risks women safety
#197The article doesn't define what exactly they mean by "risks women safety". I don't buy into the idea that all or any advertising is a "safety" issue if that is where they're going. I think there's a very weird type of patronizing that goes on where suddenly we fear for everyone's ability to deal with advertising as if they've got no self control or agency ...
Third paragraph:
"The report’s authors caution that cycle tracking app (CTA) data in the wrong hands could result in risks to job prospects, workplace monitoring, health insurance discrimination and cyberstalking – and limit access to abortion."
If you want to trace the claims to their sources, you can read the full report from MCTD Cambridge here: https://www.mctd.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/The-High-S...
Re: Menstrual tracking app data is gold mine for advertisers that risks women safety
#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
Surely the burden of proof is on the prosecution? I don't have a problem with this. If a child - even an unborn one - dies in mysterious circumstances, I would prefer the inconvenience of a fruitless investigation over the prospect of living in a society where we don't even care enough to ever be suspicious.
So you want the state to investigate every single miscarriage? Where did "mysterious circumstances" come from? I didn't see it mentioned anywhere in this thread... Do you think a miscarriage is a "mysterious circumstance"? I can only assume so, given your response. That seems like the result of what could only be tremendous ignorance.
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Re: Menstrual tracking app data is gold mine for advertisers that risks women safety
#199The article doesn't define what exactly they mean by "risks women safety". I don't buy into the idea that all or any advertising is a "safety" issue if that is where they're going. I think there's a very weird type of patronizing that goes on where suddenly we fear for everyone's ability to deal with advertising as if they've got no self control or agency ...
The article notes that this data would reveal abortions or miscarriages, and that in some states this information is used as input for criminal prosecution.
Additionally, using implicit hormone levels to adjust the ads that people with menstruations see is uniquely predatory and manipulative. It also serves to "out" trans men when this data can be tied to a profile of someone who as chosen a non-female gender on other online platforms.
Advertising by itself is directly harmful. Its secondary effects on the world are catastrophic. Adding a new layer of "this person is PMSing, let's give them makeup ads because they're feeling insecure" is just evil.
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#200Probably the best one-liner fix in law I can think of, is to make it a imprisonable felony to give money to someone or an organization for the purpose of speaking a particular message as their own, and accepting money in exchange for speaking a message as your own. Basically ban advertising, or at least make each commercial basically say "General Motors has paid us to tell you that ... ... ..." instead of the sexy se…
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