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Re: OpenAI o3-pro

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Post by pixl97 »

okrad wrote: post #185
jiggawatts wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The frustrating thing about private problems like this is that if you respond to requests like this, it'll become part of the training data. I'm fairly certain HN is scraped because several AIs know my HN alias and can replicate my style of writing on demand. PS: Thinking about it... that is a very specific kind of disturbing feeling that only prolific online commenters can experience... There's a soulless machine so…

Perhaps we are not as unique as we’d like to believe. The machine does not understand you. The machine can match your flavor of textual communication. This can be done for audio with a relatively small number of samples. Your iPhone has a feature called Personal Voice which claims it can do it with 150 phrases/15 minutes of your time.

Ha, just wait till it says specific correctly and reveals it's true self to those that know me!

Re: OpenAI o3-pro

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Post by iLoveOncall »

signatoremo wrote: post #167
iLoveOncall wrote: post #153

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I'm not claiming otherwise. I'm just saying that people say "look what we can do with the new models" when they're completely ignoring the fact that the tooling has improved a hundred fold (or rather, there was no tooling at all and now there is).

That contradicts what you said earlier -- "this has all to do with the tooling and nothing to do with the models".

Clearly nobody is talking about GPT-2 here, but I posit that you would have a perfectly reasonable "vibe coding" experience with models like the initial ChatGPT one, provided you have all the tools we have today.

Re: OpenAI o3-pro

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Post by paul7986 »

mkl wrote: post #117
paul7986 wrote: post #105

GPT needs way better image creation! Today I asked it to create a full image of a 2025 calendar highlighting all weekday workdays excluding federal holidays. At the bottom of legend tell me how many weekday work hours are available within criteria noted. It created the image showing each month but when you looked at each month it was so janky ... February 31st and other huge errors! I'm not using image creation to cr…

Wrong tool for the job. Try asking it to generate an SVG calendar with those features, or to generate Python code that produces an SVG calendar with those features.

Well I just want to create utility images by typing the request in a text box. Im betting a few to maybe a lot of users are trying to create utility images too just by typing in the prompt.

I shouldnt need to know how to do that as a GPT and or AI user ... the AI should just do it for the user via their request in the text box. That's the magic of AI to me.

Re: OpenAI o3-pro

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Post by linkage »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #87

I am still not willing to upgrade to a Pro account. I pay $20 a month for both Gemini and ChatGPT, and for what I need this is currently enough. I have dreamed of having powerful AI ever since I read Bertram Raphael's great book Mind Inside Matter around 1978, getting hooked on AI research and sometimes practical applications for my life since then. I can easily afford $200 for a Pro account but I get this nagging fe…

You don't need a Pro account. I'm on the free tier and I'm paying for o3-pro via the API. I spent just $3.70 in credits yesterday to compare it against Claude 4 Opus.

Re: OpenAI o3-pro

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Post by CamperBob2 »

radlad wrote: post #111
CamperBob2 wrote: post #101

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"I'm taking this talking dog right back to the pound. It told me to go long on AAPL. Totally overhyped"

Just because it's impressive doesn't mean it has "super human intelligence" though.

Well, it certainly came up with a better-looking SVG pelican than this human could have.

Re: OpenAI o3-pro

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Post by [deleted] »

jiggawatts wrote: post #170
reliabilityguy wrote: post #165

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Can you provide the details? Sounds intriguing

The frustrating thing about private problems like this is that if you respond to requests like this, it'll become part of the training data. I'm fairly certain HN is scraped because several AIs know my HN alias and can replicate my style of writing on demand. PS: Thinking about it... that is a very specific kind of disturbing feeling that only prolific online commenters can experience... There's a soulless machine so…

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Re: OpenAI o3-pro

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Post by eru »

reliabilityguy wrote: post #165
varjag wrote: post #156

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I had my own programming question for a while, which all models from all vendors been robustly failing so far. It is a known problem with surprisingly few published implementations as it had never been a part of leetcode, Euler or typical homework assignments. Yesterday o3-pro cleared it, using a more obscure algorithm I never even heard of.

Can you provide the details? Sounds intriguing

I'm not varjag, but I can give you a flavour of the problems I've tried:

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Here's an algorithmic problem:

You are getting a stream of n unsorted number (say over a network socket, but it doesn't matter). You don't know n upfront. We want to find the k largest numbers in that stream.

You can use O(n) time and O(k) space. We are in the comparison model.

The items arrive one by one, if you want to refer to any earlier item, you need to store it yourself (and it counts against your O(k) budget.)

Is this possible? If yes, please give me the algorithm. If not, please sketch a proof showing that it's not possible.

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The above is indeed solvable in linear time, it's fairly easy for a human to figure out. Another one (and this on is rather hard, took me a few years and I'm writing up a paper):

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Here's an algorithmic problem:

You are given a sequence of opening and closing parens. Each item in the sequence has a positive weight. We want to find the _heaviest_ balanced subsequence in linear time in the comparison model, or prove that this task is not possible.

I'm ok with randomised algorithms. In that case, I want expected worst-case linear time, where the expectation is taken over the random bits and the worst-case over the inputs.

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The above task is really solvable in linear time, and even deterministically. But so far no AI model has beaten it. As far as I can tell, it's a new result, despite looking fairly elementary.

Re: OpenAI o3-pro

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Post by eru »

hapticmonkey wrote: post #125
chad1n wrote: post #28

The guys in the other thread who said that OpenAI might have quantized o3 and that's how they reduced the price might be right. This o3-pro might be the actual o3-preview from the beginning and the o3 might be just a quantized version. I wish someone benchmarks all of these models to check for drops in quality.

What a great future we are building. If AI is supposed to run everything, everywhere....then there will be 2, maybe 3, AI companies. And nobody outside those companies knows how they work.

What makes you think so? So far, many new AI companies are sprouting and many of them seem to be able to roughly match the state-of-the-art very quickly. (But pushing the frontier seems to be harder.)

From the evidence we have so far, it does not look like there's any natural monopoly (or even natural oligopoly) in AI companies. Just the opposite. Especially with open weight models, or oven more so complete open source models.

Re: OpenAI o3-pro

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Post by johncoatesdev »

linkage wrote: post #194
mark_l_watson wrote: post #87

I am still not willing to upgrade to a Pro account. I pay $20 a month for both Gemini and ChatGPT, and for what I need this is currently enough. I have dreamed of having powerful AI ever since I read Bertram Raphael's great book Mind Inside Matter around 1978, getting hooked on AI research and sometimes practical applications for my life since then. I can easily afford $200 for a Pro account but I get this nagging fe…

You don't need a Pro account. I'm on the free tier and I'm paying for o3-pro via the API. I spent just $3.70 in credits yesterday to compare it against Claude 4 Opus.

what do you use as a client? Most open source clients don't seem to support the new endpoint that o3-pro requires.
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