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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by Grimblewald »

yahway wrote: post #102

I originally turned to HN to get away from politics, so it's disappointing to see one of the last remaining refuges being overtaken

when it doesn't impact you, or your immediate future, it is fair to steer clear and consider it noise - but this is a textbook historical moment. This isn't cheap talk. These are real and national trajectory altering events.

What happens in these coming months defines a major historical event for the USA, which sets it's course for the coming century.

It may become a country which is directly hostile to you. If you are American and are ignoring this, then it is no different to getting mad your family is wanting to talk about the raging kitchen fire that is unaddressed and escalating because "so what, the stove top has fire sometimes, it's a gas heater, that's normal" which, sure, would be right, but right now the entire wall is ablaze.

You cannot ignore this one, even those of us in other countries cannot ignore this one, as we have to reconsider our alliance with a country that reasonably one can assume is in the middle of falling to a fascist regime.

This is NOT run of the mill politics. This is genuinely about the collective future of the Anglosphere.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by Grimblewald »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #185
tanepiper wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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And it's their only comment. They went through all the trouble of creating an account to write a comment about how much they hate politics on a political post, when they could have just hit the "hide" link that's on every post.

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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by speakfreely »

MaxHoppersGhost wrote: post #133
khazhoux wrote: post #116

Seems to me that sending the USMC to protect a burning Waymo is a bit of an overreaction.

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Yes, but their performative purpose is to create the illusion that the situation is out of the control of the civilian authorities.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

runarberg wrote: post #163
lenerdenator wrote: post #81

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This is a fundamental misunderstanding of democracy. In a democracy you cannot vote your self a dictator. A democracy has democratic institutions such as courts and different branches of government, or systems in place which prevent any one individual from misusing their power, or grabbing more power then they have been handed from the electorate. In a democracy people can vote for the Devil him self, and the Devil h…

> Elections have consequences, but if those consequences are the loss of rights, then you never lived in a democracy to begin with.

So I guess these folks who live in a "real democracy" according to you just have the good government fairy swoop in when the people vote in a dictator.

At the end of the day, a democracy is just people, all the way down. It doesn't matter what laws you've written down, what courts you have, what procedures you've developed. If enough people stop believing in the enforcement of those laws, or court orders, or governmental norms, there is no deus ex machina.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by unsnap_biceps »

protocolture wrote: post #181
vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #50

This is probably an unpopular opinion but I would like politicians on the left to speak up about the rioting and burning of stuff at the current protests and also the Tesla and George Floyd protests. It doesn’t help the cause if we allow some assholes to destroy stuff. Basically they are giving people like Trump an excuse to deploy force and a lot of people will agree. I can’t see what is achieved by burning cars and…

Spreads out police resources for one. Protesters outnumber police. Every cop pulled away from the protest to respond to a fire, looting incident, or whatever can translate directly to lives saved / protesters not arrested etc. Also makes certain goals more achievable. I read a crimethinc article about the george floyd protests and it suggested that the looting drew the cops away from the barricade at the police stati…

> protesters not arrested

We should be clear, protesting is not illegal. It's protected first amendment speech. There is activity at protests that is illegal, and should be punished, but that's not protesting and lumping them together puts a chilling effect on.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by protocolture »

mkfs wrote: post #152
daft_pink wrote: post #114

I lived through the BLM protests in a liberal city. They let them destroy everything, then they called in the National Guard to stop looting that already happened. Everyone’s okay with peaceful protests, but they should call in the national guard and prosecute people for violence. You might hate Trump, but in my previous experience, it’s the residents of the most liberal districts that suffer all the consequences of…

I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 or 2024, but I did do so in 2020 specifically because of the BLM riots , which the media incited (through selective reporting of police violence), excused ("fiery, mostly peaceful protests"), and then went so far as to doxx and harass anyone who resisted the mob, or even just those who found themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time, like the fuel truck driver who hadn't been inf…

BLM wasnt on the ballot, so your vote for Trump was really just performative.

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Post by monster_truck »

motorest wrote: post #170
ivape wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s interesting ICE raided the outside of a Home Depot. Like, of all the immigrants, the immigrants that stand outside of Home Depot do the hardest physical labor. There’s no heart to what’s going on.

> It’s interesting ICE raided the outside of a Home Depot. Like, of all the immigrants, the immigrants that stand outside of Home Depot do the hardest physical labor. There’s no heart to what’s going on. From an outsider's view, everything looks so performative and fabricated to be consumed by a tv target audience. I mean, if there is so much illegal immigration in the US, is it the most effective use of resources to…

I've often felt the same way as an insider. It's beyond a parody of itself.

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Post by tbrownaw »

runarberg wrote: post #163
lenerdenator wrote: post #81

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This is a fundamental misunderstanding of democracy. In a democracy you cannot vote your self a dictator. A democracy has democratic institutions such as courts and different branches of government, or systems in place which prevent any one individual from misusing their power, or grabbing more power then they have been handed from the electorate. In a democracy people can vote for the Devil him self, and the Devil h…

Sensible modern democracies will have those features, but they're no more part of the definition than having seatbelts and airbags is part of the definition of what a car is (I guess the model t is the equivalent of ancient Athens here?).

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Post by speakfreely »

anon84873628 wrote: post #145
WatchDog wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not American, thus I had no vote in the election, nor do I like Trump for a number of reasons. However, enforcement of immigration laws has been one of the biggest parts of his election platform, if not the central part(build the wall, etc). I imagine his voters are happy to see some action being taken. The protestors could really do with some better optics, destroying property and waving foreign flags is just go…

I'm so tired of hearing this type of thing. "If the protesters would simply protest correctly , then I would respect them." News flash. The opposition is always going to say something like this to set an impossible bar for the protestors. This type of thinking undermines all protests, protects the status quo, and basically boils down to victim blaming. Not to mention you can always have false flag operatives undermin…

Do you really think MLK Jr. didn't want to punch those cops in the face that were beating people at his marches? But he had emotional IQ, discipline, and effective organization. The current crop lacks all of that and the results are showing it.
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