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Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by dang »

nodja wrote: post #132
dang wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, I've squeezed containerization into the title above. It's unsatisfactory, since multiple announced-things are also being discussed in this thread, but "Apple's kitchen-sink announcement from WWDC this year" wouldn't be great either, and "Apple supercharges its tools and technologies for developers to foster creativity, innovation, and design" is right out. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&…

> Apple Announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc. This sounds like apple announced 2 things, AI models and container related stuff I'd change it to something like: > Apple Announces Foundation Models, Containerization frameworks, more tools

The article says that what was announced is "foundation model frameworks", hence the awkward twist in the title, to get two frameworkses in there.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by WhyNotHugo »

dedicate wrote: post #19

Okay, the AI stuff is cool, but that "Containerization framework" mention is kinda huge, right? I mean, native Linux container support on Mac could be a game-changer for my whole workflow, maybe even making Docker less of a headache.

The ground keeps shrinking for Docker Inc.

They sold Docker Desktop for Mac, but that might start being less relevant and licenses start to drop.

On Linux there’s just the cli, which they can’t afford to close since people will just move away.

Docker Hub likely can’t compete with the registries built into every other cloud provider.

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Post by enceladus06 »

paxys wrote: post #28
dedicate wrote: post #19

Okay, the AI stuff is cool, but that "Containerization framework" mention is kinda huge, right? I mean, native Linux container support on Mac could be a game-changer for my whole workflow, maybe even making Docker less of a headache.

It's impossible to have "native" support for Linux containers on macOS, since the technology inherently relies on Linux kernel features. So I'm guessing this is Apple rolling out their own Linux virtualization layer (same as WSL). Probably still an improvement over the current mess, but if they just support LXC and not Docker then most devs will still need to install Docker Desktop like they do today.

WSL throughput is not enough for file intensive operations. It is much easier and straightforward to just delete windows and use Linux.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by samcat116 »

elpakal wrote: post #2

Hopefully not bound to SwiftUI like seemingly everything else Apple Intelligence so far. But on-device llm (private) would be real nice to have.

The api looks like "give it a string prompt, async get a string back", so not tied to any particular UI Framework.

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Post by darkwater »

jzelinskie wrote: post #29
paxys wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's impossible to have "native" support for Linux containers on macOS, since the technology inherently relies on Linux kernel features. So I'm guessing this is Apple rolling out their own Linux virtualization layer (same as WSL). Probably still an improvement over the current mess, but if they just support LXC and not Docker then most devs will still need to install Docker Desktop like they do today.

The screenshot in TFA pretty clearly shows docker-like workflows pulling images, showing tags and digests and running what looks to be the official Docker library version of Postgres.

Yeah, from a quick glance the options are 1:1 mapped so an

  alias docker='container'
Should work, at least for basic and common operations

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Post by pxc »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #187
pxc wrote: post #137

I hoped for a moment that "Containerization Framework" meant that macOS itself would be getting containers. Running Linux containers and VMs on macOS via virtualization is already pretty easy and has many good options. If you're willing to use proprietary applications to do this, OrbStack is the slickest, but Lima/Colima is fine, and Podman Desktop and Rancher Desktop work well, too. The thing macOS really painfully…

It's not that macoscontainers is empty, it's that the site is https://darwin-containers.github.io Read more about it here - https://github.com/darwin-containers The developer is very responsive. One of Apple's biggest value props to other platforms is environment integrity. This is why their containerization / automation story is worse than e.g. Android.

Ah, that's great! I'd forgotten it moved and struggled to track it down.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by 12_throw_away »

wmf wrote: post #76
dedicate wrote: post #19

Okay, the AI stuff is cool, but that "Containerization framework" mention is kinda huge, right? I mean, native Linux container support on Mac could be a game-changer for my whole workflow, maybe even making Docker less of a headache.

They Sherlocked OrbStack.

Well, Orbstack isn't really anything special in terms of its features, it's the implementation that's so much better than all the other ways of spinning up VMs to run containers on macos. TBH, I'm not 100% sure 2025 Apple is capable anymore of delivering a more technically impressive product than orbstack ...

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by WD-42 »

marviel wrote: post #25
dedicate wrote: post #19

Okay, the AI stuff is cool, but that "Containerization framework" mention is kinda huge, right? I mean, native Linux container support on Mac could be a game-changer for my whole workflow, maybe even making Docker less of a headache.

yeah -- I saw it's built on "open source foundations", do you know what project this is?

Should be easy enough, look for the one with upstream contributions from Apple.

Oh, wait.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by pjmlp »

paxys wrote: post #28
dedicate wrote: post #19

Okay, the AI stuff is cool, but that "Containerization framework" mention is kinda huge, right? I mean, native Linux container support on Mac could be a game-changer for my whole workflow, maybe even making Docker less of a headache.

It's impossible to have "native" support for Linux containers on macOS, since the technology inherently relies on Linux kernel features. So I'm guessing this is Apple rolling out their own Linux virtualization layer (same as WSL). Probably still an improvement over the current mess, but if they just support LXC and not Docker then most devs will still need to install Docker Desktop like they do today.

WSL 1.0, given that WSL 2.0 is regular Linux VM running on HYPER-V.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by teruakohatu »

> Every Apple Developer Program membership includes 200GB of Apple hosting capacity for the App Store. Apple-Hosted Background Assets can be submitted separately from an app build.

Is this the first time Apple has offered something substantial for the App store fees beyond the SDK/Xcode and basic app distribution?

Is it a way to give developers a reason to limit distribution to only the official App Store, or will this be offered regardless of what store the app is downloaded from?

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