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Cinematography of “Andor”

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Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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The shot, once made, is forever unless you do an expensive reshoot. Software bugs happen and people have low expectations for bugs even in highly scaling software like YouTube.

Haven't you heard of "We'll fix it in post"? Given the way things are, whole movies are going to be made in post...

Yes, and movies are noticeably worse for it

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Haven't you heard of "We'll fix it in post"? Given the way things are, whole movies are going to be made in post...

When someone is fixing it in postprod most of complexity of the initial shot is gone never to be seen again. It is not like they fix some colors on the scene and then last scene of the movie suddenly changes to something different :D

Have you seen the amount of changes George Lucas did when editing the prequel trilogy of Star Wars? They were digitally composing individual actor performances within a shot.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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The cinematography, editing, writing, and overall feel of this show far exceed any Star Wars movie I've seen. I had long since written off the Star Wars franchise as a shameless cash grab since the original movies but they proved they could do something cool with it. I'd definitely watch a new movie if it were handled by the same team that made Andor. Prequel, sequel, side story, or re-telling of the originals.

You're aware of Rogue One, right?

Everyone gushing over Rogue One... but it was at best barely competent.

10-20 minutes of static talking heads, 5 minutes of mediocre action. Repeat until the end. Meaningless side-quests. The final is a thousand cliches one after another culminating in a "main computer at the end of a rickety walkway" and "a kiss at the sunset".

The only reason it's hailed as the greatest movie ever is because so much of the Star Wars is just objectively shit.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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What I don't understand is how film crews can work together when they are larger than two pizza teams? And when they want to change something, it's almost like they just do it? Surely they have to file a ticket with the Product Owner first? And why don't they wait until the current sprint is done before doing things that clearly belongs to the next one? Why do the producer run around speaking in precise terms when he…

> two pizza teams Found the Amazonian. It’s amazing how the corporate jargon seeps in, no matter how hard you try :). In some ways, deciding to work there is definitely a one way door.

Or just someone who's familiar with the terminology. I've never worked at Amazon, but I've heard the term for years as an Amazon thing.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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I don’t know, I still really value the original trilogy. It’s just very, very different in some crucial ways. One aspect that’s really striking when you see Andor is how little the Jedi and the Force have to do with it; which highlights how central they are to the original trilogy. ( Rogue One does a pretty deft job of bridging those worlds, eg with Donnie Yen’s character.) And the Force was a big part of the charm o…

"The Force" never sat well with me. It was the one weird supernatural thing in the Star Wars universe that pushed the whole franchise into "magic" territory. The less Force, the better in my opinion. Save super-powers for comic-book movies.

The force was okay for me when it was treated seriously and not as a plot vehicle that could suddenly do things that are not plausible within the rules of the universe so far.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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I watched it for the first time immediately after finishing Andor. Definitely better than the other Star Wars films but definitely not as good as Andor. (I'm aware the showrunner of Andor co-wrote Rogue One, but Andor really seems like a different tier.)

You guys are excluding the George Lucas movies from discussion right? In my opinion nothing ever came even close and I gave up on SW after the second Kylo Ren movie. Rouge one was cool though, also first episodes of Mandalorian.. Should I really try Andor after all the bad stuff Disney made? A few days ago I watched the new LILO and Stitch and that was great, so maybe good people still work at Disney …

> Should I really try Andor after all the bad stuff Disney made?

Andor (at least Season 1) is very slow, boring, suffers from "static heads talking at each other" cinematography of modern movies [1], main character is just not a great actor.

All that said, it's definitely worth a watch:

- most, if not all, major characters (apart from the protagonist) are very compelling, chew through every scene they are in, and are great matches for their parts

- Empire is finally shown as a proper huge, relentless, uncaring bureaucratic machine it must have been. Run mostly by efficient ruthless bureaucrats.

- Rebels are not angels, are not a single conformist mass of do-gooders

- The dialog is mostly great

It's a much better show than Mandalorian. It's arguably the best Star Wars after the original trilogy.

[1] Most modern productions are incapable of shooting "walking and talking at the same time". Most modern movies and TV shows have actors placed against each other rigidly, with not a hint of motion, as they say their lines at each other

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Hmmm, rise of the empire you say? So a long hard look at a faltering parliamentary system, gradually usurped by an authoritarian and his team of goons... Doesn't sound very relatable for today's audiences.

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Must this old russian propaganda permeat also thread about... Star Wars?

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"The Force" never sat well with me. It was the one weird supernatural thing in the Star Wars universe that pushed the whole franchise into "magic" territory. The less Force, the better in my opinion. Save super-powers for comic-book movies.

I thought it worked in the original trilogy because it was much more subtle, but still powerful. You watch Luke struggle to harness it over the span of 3 movies. In the recent Disney movies (Andor being the exception) it’s like they gave everyone the force, everyone is a super hero, it’s bombastic and annoying.

This is btw. what I hate with so many modern RPGs, you are a nobody but within 5 minutes of playing you are already extremely awesome and look like a shiny knight on a white horse.

Let me run around with a rock and a stick for the first hour. Then give me a sword that looks cheap but I will cherish it. Then take it away. Let me earn it when I am awesome in the end.

To many games treat you like a toddler that wants shiny things. Yeah I want shiny things, but I want them when I deserved them. Similarily, yeah, I want powerful heros, but they have to earn it as well.

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Ironically Andor is one of the closest to A New Hope narratively.

It ties in but isn't really part of the main storyline except incidentally. You could say the same thing about Rogue One though the tie-in is even stronger in that case. The Mandalorian is pretty separate other than baby yoda.

My main (mild) criticism of the now-complete Andor->Rogue One arc is that it only put its toe into the waters of the Death Star.

Giving that concept a thematic heft well beyond its Flash-Gordon-supervillain origins appeared “fully armed and operational” in the story, but in the end it barely rises to subtext.

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