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Re: Find Your People

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Post by [deleted] »

levocardia wrote: post #96
joshstrange wrote: post #54

> The first step is to realize that the subway stops here. Up to this point in life, most of you have been rolling on train tracks. Elementary school, middle school, high school, college—it was always clear what the next stop was. In the process you've been trained to believe something that’s not true: that all of life is train tracks. And there are some jobs where you can make it stay like train tracks if you want,…

Interesting, too, how many institutions are very willing to jump in and put you back on an endless subway train. e.g. graduate school, postdoc, junior faculty, assistant professor, full professor...the ride never ends!

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Re: Find Your People

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Post by nssnsjsjsjs »

macintux wrote: post #73
mclau157 wrote: post #68

Tangential to this but why does there seem to be a correlation between rock climbing gyms and tech oriented people?

I have no idea, but personally after 30 years of IT work, I definitely regret not finding something to strengthen my hands. They're barely useful for anything besides typing, and often not even that.

Not too late right?

Re: Find Your People

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Post by martin82 »

joshstrange wrote: post #54

> The first step is to realize that the subway stops here. Up to this point in life, most of you have been rolling on train tracks. Elementary school, middle school, high school, college—it was always clear what the next stop was. In the process you've been trained to believe something that’s not true: that all of life is train tracks. And there are some jobs where you can make it stay like train tracks if you want,…

Modern society tries very hard to lay tracks for everyone all the way to final station: The old folks home.

In my opinion, there are TOO MANY tracks.

We have plastered the entire map with so many tracks, that experiencing true freedom has become virtually impossible.

Re: Find Your People

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Post by dartharva »

Kamq wrote: post #185
jemiluv8 wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet so many of them kinda rule the world by running the biggest corporations in the world. Your argument has so many holds, it can't hold water.

> And yet so many of them kinda rule the world by running the biggest corporations in the world. Have you looked at the state of the world recently?

They used to rule the world when its state was better too. In fact, their proportion was higher.

Re: Find Your People

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Post by dartharva »

rubitxxx15 wrote: post #17

It’s a great speech, but I’ve listened to this “chase your dream” thing for decades. I took career and personality tests but nothing in them fit. I don’t fit. I’ve gotten seriously jaded and live with crippling mental health problems and constant stress because I feel like I failed to find my people and now I just hide from my people. So, as an older adult, I think maybe we need to be teaching more responsibility to…

Passion is just a buzzword. I much rather prefer Cal Newport's notions on work and success: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/so-good-they-cant-ignore-yo...

Re: Find Your People

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Post by dartharva »

pc86 wrote: post #13
ryandrake wrote: post #5

I feel like I'm too thoroughly cynical and jaded to take the tropes in "graduation speeches" seriously. Bringing someone back in who graduated in a totally different time, to a totally different world, in a totally different competitive, political, and economic landscape, to ramble about what they did when they graduated seems kind of pointless. Is her (or anyone's) story from the 90s really useful for someone gradua…

> Ms. Livingston graduated around when I did. I can't think of anything that I (or she) did to launch a career, either pre- or post-graduation that would be applicable to someone graduating today. Really? Not a single thing? Not "work hard," or "be curious," or "be willing to fail or be wrong?" Those aren't genetic qualities, they can be taught and they can be learned. I don't know when you graduated but I've been wo…

How about you actually go to today's college environments and talk to young people of this generation first? Look at how their life is, and what trends are affecting them firsthand? Would be much better than making wild declarations out of nowhere.

Re: Find Your People

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Post by toast0 »

cj wrote: post #116
parpfish wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i think its interesting that for so many college kids, the post-graduation options that continue to provide tracks are also treated as the more "prestigious" options (go to grad school. work at big3/faang, etc). it's not because they are any more prestigious or important, but because they provide a clear sense of achievement/external validation and kids that make it to the end of college are kids that have had decade…

I don’t see why that can’t be replicated in vocational trades. Main challenge there is you don’t have a plumbing/electrical conglomerate like you have in tech to standardize recruiting.

Trade unions and apprenticeships provide some of this, especially in places where trade work is heavily unionized.

Re: Find Your People

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Post by theonething »

Kamq wrote: post #185
jemiluv8 wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet so many of them kinda rule the world by running the biggest corporations in the world. Your argument has so many holds, it can't hold water.

> And yet so many of them kinda rule the world by running the biggest corporations in the world. Have you looked at the state of the world recently?

I don’t see your point. When has the state of the world ever been ever been good?

Re: Find Your People

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Post by eastbound »

martin82 wrote: post #193
joshstrange wrote: post #54

> The first step is to realize that the subway stops here. Up to this point in life, most of you have been rolling on train tracks. Elementary school, middle school, high school, college—it was always clear what the next stop was. In the process you've been trained to believe something that’s not true: that all of life is train tracks. And there are some jobs where you can make it stay like train tracks if you want,…

Modern society tries very hard to lay tracks for everyone all the way to final station: The old folks home. In my opinion, there are TOO MANY tracks. We have plastered the entire map with so many tracks, that experiencing true freedom has become virtually impossible.

We’re also too many people on Earth to continue living in a green field world. Fantasizing about freedom and the absence of tracks is a Western thing; I don’t think you can afford trial-and-error paths or separating from the cohort of applicants when you live in Singapore, Taiwan, or China. Kalzumeus had to show his bride’s mother his revenue sheet before asking her hand, because startup creator is second to homeless in the humiliation ranking.

Re: Find Your People

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Post by 8n4vidtmkvmk »

pton_xd wrote: post #180
Aurornis wrote: post #178

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> As far as I'm concerned, you are basically mentally stunted if you didn't work for pay in your teenage years. I worked a teenage job, too. Physical labor. It was a learning experience, but I don’t see it as this life changing pivot point that separated me from others. In fact, you meet plenty of people at a physical labor job like that who are clearly not on a path to being ahead of their peers, or who have been do…

> In fact, you meet plenty of people at a physical labor job like that who are clearly not on a path to being ahead of their peers, or who have been doing the same work for decades since they were a teenager. At least for me, the experience of doing physical labor alongside people like that as a teenager was a real eye-opener. It showed me exactly what my life might look like if I didn't focus and work toward my goal…

Yep. 17 year old me working alongside a 70 year old dude working the same job as me... I knew that's not what I wanted for my life.

That said, I think I've still wafted through life on tracks. I just concluded that FAANG was the next track after uni so I made it happen. Not sure I'm happy any more though. Maybe I need to reinvent myself.

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