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Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans

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Re: Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans

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Once Bezos replaces everyone with robots, why would he need anyone to buy his junk anymore?

That is one of his ways of extracting value from society - by selling his junk.

Crazy right? It's almost like the people buying stuff are idiots who don't understand their own needs and values.

Re: Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans

#192
I worked as stow, that job is brutal man, you gotta last 2-3 hrs at a time 3x a day for a 10hr shift. They don't like you listening to music so you gotta just sit there in silence. Luckily I got to unload trucks and I started drinking to get through it on my breaks.

Still it's tough to beat a place where you can walk in with no skills and start making $20/hr

Re: Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans

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It's a safe space in the interim. A place where they can hone their skills and sharpen their blades.

The first robot that learns to make a shiv will rule the warehouse.

... and then. The world.

Re: Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans

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Plenty of people who don’t work for Amazon already buy stuff from there. I guess I mostly see the jobs as exchanging labour for something that society values and so by automating, there is more labour available to do things society values and so society gets more of what it values. And if you think working for Amazon is bad for people then you should be happy if automation is decreasing the number of people suffering…

I think the latter view is usually held by people who know they won't experience productivity gains from automation. Say someone who is has driven a taxi all their life or driven a forklift. They can appreciate how adding air-conditioning to their vehicle allows them to drive in hotter days, therefore they can do more work. But automating their whole job away with autonomous vehicles doesn't benefit them, so they don…

meanwhile, i wont mind if they trash your robot taxi so that its inoperable. shoulda put that money and automation into something that doesnt break so easily

Re: Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans

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The containerization is at a higher level: the rack of yellow bins is a four-sided tower that is robotically driven in and out of tightly packed uniform rows.

Right. Containers being a standard size is great so you don't have to care about what's inside the containers. At the AMZN warehouse, they absolutely care about what's in the containers, and what's in the container is no longer anywhere close to be standard size/shape/weight.

The container is the standardization. One container per unit of product. Containers ("bins") dimensioned in multiples of some standard unit that evenly divides a grid system on a rack. Stuffing looks like "a pallet of identical goods appears on one side of your workspace and 150 individual 100mm x 200mm x 400mm bins appear on the other side and the job is to put A into B". Storage operations look like they do now using the robot racks. Emptying looks like "Three bins of various sizes shows up on one side and a cardboard box appears on the other side". You divide the tasks up and have a different machine or human for each. The benefit is you always have a reliably identical picking and stuffing task per item, and there is never a bin of remainder items that has to be pushed back into the system. The cost is lowered storage efficiency. You don't even have to break a pallet at a DC, you can design for distribution of bins (at a higher transport cost).

Re: Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans

#196

Henry Ford famously wanted his workers to be able to afford his cars. When Bezos replaces everyone with robots, who will be left to buy his junk?

We're more automated than we've ever been & unemployment is close to all-time lows. Why don't you get back to us with this when it's at least 6 or 7 percent...

Re: Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans

#197

Henry Ford famously wanted his workers to be able to afford his cars. When Bezos replaces everyone with robots, who will be left to buy his junk?

Plenty of people who don’t work for Amazon already buy stuff from there. I guess I mostly see the jobs as exchanging labour for something that society values and so by automating, there is more labour available to do things society values and so society gets more of what it values. And if you think working for Amazon is bad for people then you should be happy if automation is decreasing the number of people suffering…

The ultimate endgame is either a significant reduction in global population, or UBI. You can’t just keep automating every non-knowledge job away and just hope people find something else to do.

All those jobs in Detroit that went away were replaced by…? As best I can tell they were replaced by poverty and crime.

Re: Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans

#198

Henry Ford famously wanted his workers to be able to afford his cars. When Bezos replaces everyone with robots, who will be left to buy his junk?

We're more automated than we've ever been & unemployment is close to all-time lows. Why don't you get back to us with this when it's at least 6 or 7 percent...

Are you somehow connecting low unemployment with high purchasing power by your median worker through a bunch of logical hoops?

Re: Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans

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Henry Ford famously wanted his workers to be able to afford his cars. When Bezos replaces everyone with robots, who will be left to buy his junk?

We're more automated than we've ever been & unemployment is close to all-time lows. Why don't you get back to us with this when it's at least 6 or 7 percent...

Unemployment being at all time lows means nothing if those employed with the minimum wage cannot afford the same quality of life than people did in the past earning the minimum wage of their time, because it means you aren't really comparing the same thing.

Re: Amazon's Vulcan Robots Now Stow Items Faster Than Humans

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Once he replaces everyone with robots, and all the factories do the same, people will get stuff at home for watching ads.

but ads exist to convince people to buy things. if people can't afford to buy things, why would you need ads?

Maybe we pay people a small fee to watch ads?
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