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Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

mrcwinn wrote: post #67
dbalatero wrote: post #57

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Why should that be a requirement? Do you have anything positive to say?

It’s not a requirement. If it’s just the culture of HN to dunk on certain companies or products, then it is. This place doesn’t belong to me any more than it belongs to you. I am hopeful though that we could encourage more diversity of opinion here. Otherwise it’s exhausting. And yes, I do, and it’s shared in a different comment. Search if you care to read it.

As HN has gotten bigger its contrarian streak has gotten worse. I suspect the dunking culture at this point is what attracts people to this site. If you want a clear-eyed picture into the industry then look elsewhere.

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #122
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #71

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> when AI runs everything You can't be seriously considering fancy autocomplete word guessers are replacing governments when Musk can't even get Grok to stop telling Twitter users what a moron he is.

> Musk can't even get Grok to stop telling Twitter users what a moron he is what an oxymoron. this is testament how good grok is.

Touché.

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by _bin_ »

kubb wrote: post #188
_bin_ wrote: post #187

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This isn't a russian mentality, this is more of a realpolitik reading of how things work. Don't mistake a positive statement for a normative one. There was actually a really good article in the FT of all places on this subject: https://www.ft.com/content/37053b2b-ccda-4ce3-a25d-f1d0f82e7... The fact that the FT is picking this up should tell us something given its typical perspective. There are two big groups of coun…

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.CHEX.GD.ZS?most_... The US is spending more of its GDP percentage-wise on healthcare than any European country. How you can consider the European spending "extravagant" is inexplicable, you have to be deep deep in the ideological rabbit hole, and unable to admit new information.

This is a good example of "lying with statistics". You are doing this by implying we are paying more for the same thing. You are then doing more of this by equating healthcare spend to the total welfare state. Europe is still spending a lot of money on healthcare; less than us, but their healthcare is pretty crappy.

Healthcare is one part of the profligate safety net europe has maintained for decades, not the whole thing. Europe has more pensions, more unemployment, more retirement benefits, more childcare, more socialized housing, more of almost every flavor of welfare. They pay for this by shifting the burden of defending themselves to America.

Here's a good and more in-depth analysis: https://foreignpolicy.com/2025/03/04/europe-military-welfare...

It's a hell of a lot more useful than one graph. Please read it.

Re: OpenAI for Countries

#194

Post by hayst4ck »

pembrook wrote: post #146
whaleofatw2022 wrote: post #74

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I will dare say, it's a question of what happens to Mario's brother. Jury nullification in that is the best message that could be sent to the populace.

The fact that rich engineers on hacker news would be flirting with bolshevism as their ideology is just endlessly funny to me. I know it’s just people parroting the emotional “vibe” of their political tribe on any given day, but it’s so ironic. Beyond the obvious moral decay of cheering on murder at all, and the fact you’re in the privileged class of the richest nation on earth, the idea of targeting the replaceable…

It's not bolshevism, it's jeffersonianism/locke-ianism and this administration is ticking away the grievances in the declaration of independence like it's a recipe.

We have a consent based government, that's plainly stated in the founding document. Now this government is doing things no person of good conscience can consent to, such as talking about wars of aggression against Greenland, Panama, and Canada, denying due process in clear violation of the constitution we were taught in school regardless of what any judge rules (and they are ruling it is a constitutional violation), and sending people to death camps in foreign countries. The leader said "I wish I had Hitler's generals".

I am being ordered to deny the evidence of my eyes and ears daily.

Unfortunately there aren't very many lessons about what withdrawing consent for a consent based government looks like.

Calling us rich benefactors is accusing us of not having morals, values, or red lines we hold in higher esteem than money. If our values are violated but we can't be bribed by our privileged position in a corrupt society then that's Bolshevism? It's having a conscience. It's having integrity. We are getting the society we deserve right now, one where money is the only thing that matters, one where integrity is punished and even judged as "endlessly funny".

There was nothing random at all about the actions being referenced, that's why you find so much support online and even more support with virtually every city dwelling person who is not a boomer in person.

I don't think it's the best way to promote change, but he did start a conversation about justice and its relationship to the judicial system that needs to be had.

Re: OpenAI for Countries

#195

Post by somenameforme »

slg wrote: post #189
somenameforme wrote: post #183

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There are pretty much 0 people who think healthcare insurance providers should be intentionally engaging in delay, deny, defend as a means of maximizing profit. Passing a law against stands essentially 0 chance of happening. If it was passed, it would intentionally have loopholes aplenty buried in a hundred page document that essentially 0 people, including those who wrote it, could understand. Modern democracy mostl…

>Modern democracy mostly just doesn't seem to work how it ought. It is funny to say this as if every other modern democracy hasn't solved the specific problem that you have given. The issue isn't democracy, it is the American democracy (or republic if you want to be pedantic). Specifically, the combination of our expansive freedom of speech protections (which make campaign financing restrictions near impossible) and…

This is mostly grass is greener thinking. Here [1] is a relevant poll across the EU, for instance. [1] 65% of people do not think high level corruption cases are sufficiently pursued and 57% do not think efforts against corruption are effective. And everywhere except Scandiland has a majority to vast majority that think corruption is widespread in their country.

The only place it seems to be really working is in Switzerland and in the Scandinavian micronations (notably Sweden is trending more towards the patterns of Europe than Scandinavia).

[1] - https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/3217

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by somenameforme »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #190
somenameforme wrote: post #186

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This isn't the issue. You could get easily get the overwhelming majority of society to agree 'let's criminalize unjustified denials with criminal penalties for the executives of healthcare companies who violate such' and it's simply not going to happen. A handful of corporations' "lobbying" easily trumps the opinion of society. And getting people elected is no different. Fewer and fewer people identify as either repu…

I dont think it is that easy to define "unjustified denials". People might agree on a vibe, but not detail. What would a bill look like? Regarding the party and representational system, I agree there is a lot of dysfunction. Same problem. Nobody can agree on alternatives. Even ranked choice, which I think is the tiniest step in the right direction is highly controversial. Ideas like expanding the house to 30,000 repr…

An unjustified denial is obviously a denial that should not have been denied by the terms of your agreement with the insurance company. And we should also add delays and other anti-payment 'strategies' as criminal offenses as well. And as such behaviors would now be criminal in nature, exact offenses would determined by a jury of our peers.

It's obviously not people hating change. People want these things, and many others to change. It's a completely broken political system that is happy to change, but only when it benefits corporations or political, especially geopolitical, interests. Ranked choice won't do anything. Australia has one of the most dysfunctional democracies in the world, and they have both universal voting, obviously 'Australian voting', and even a proportionally elected Senate.

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by [deleted] »

somenameforme wrote: post #196
s1artibartfast wrote: post #190

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I dont think it is that easy to define "unjustified denials". People might agree on a vibe, but not detail. What would a bill look like? Regarding the party and representational system, I agree there is a lot of dysfunction. Same problem. Nobody can agree on alternatives. Even ranked choice, which I think is the tiniest step in the right direction is highly controversial. Ideas like expanding the house to 30,000 repr…

An unjustified denial is obviously a denial that should not have been denied by the terms of your agreement with the insurance company. And we should also add delays and other anti-payment 'strategies' as criminal offenses as well. And as such behaviors would now be criminal in nature, exact offenses would determined by a jury of our peers. It's obviously not people hating change. People want these things, and many o…

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Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by s1artibartfast »

somenameforme wrote: post #196
s1artibartfast wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont think it is that easy to define "unjustified denials". People might agree on a vibe, but not detail. What would a bill look like? Regarding the party and representational system, I agree there is a lot of dysfunction. Same problem. Nobody can agree on alternatives. Even ranked choice, which I think is the tiniest step in the right direction is highly controversial. Ideas like expanding the house to 30,000 repr…

An unjustified denial is obviously a denial that should not have been denied by the terms of your agreement with the insurance company. And we should also add delays and other anti-payment 'strategies' as criminal offenses as well. And as such behaviors would now be criminal in nature, exact offenses would determined by a jury of our peers. It's obviously not people hating change. People want these things, and many o…

Again, do you think going out and shooting anyone that pisses you off will fix this system?

Politicians can be voted out of office. The process is simple and foolproof. The problem is people are divided and can't agree.

If every voter next election had your claim denial law as their top priority, they could replace Congress entirely.

Instead, they will fight over the same issues.

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by kubb »

_bin_ wrote: post #193
kubb wrote: post #188

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https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.CHEX.GD.ZS?most_... The US is spending more of its GDP percentage-wise on healthcare than any European country. How you can consider the European spending "extravagant" is inexplicable, you have to be deep deep in the ideological rabbit hole, and unable to admit new information.

This is a good example of "lying with statistics". You are doing this by implying we are paying more for the same thing. You are then doing more of this by equating healthcare spend to the total welfare state. Europe is still spending a lot of money on healthcare; less than us, but their healthcare is pretty crappy. Healthcare is one part of the profligate safety net europe has maintained for decades, not the whole t…

> their healthcare is pretty crappy

They have much better healthcare outcomes, so it sounds like they’re way more efficient with their spending.

They also have lower GDP which means that they spend way less in absolute terms.

Of course there’s an article somewhere to back up every opinion that you have. That doesn’t say much.

How you defend your opinions (pointing to other opinions that agree with you and unsubstantiated claims) says a lot though, and is indicative of confirmation bias.

Re: OpenAI for Countries

#200

Post by somenameforme »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #198
somenameforme wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An unjustified denial is obviously a denial that should not have been denied by the terms of your agreement with the insurance company. And we should also add delays and other anti-payment 'strategies' as criminal offenses as well. And as such behaviors would now be criminal in nature, exact offenses would determined by a jury of our peers. It's obviously not people hating change. People want these things, and many o…

Again, do you think going out and shooting anyone that pisses you off will fix this system? Politicians can be voted out of office. The process is simple and foolproof. The problem is people are divided and can't agree. If every voter next election had your claim denial law as their top priority, they could replace Congress entirely. Instead, they will fight over the same issues.

No they couldn't. Getting ballot access is a huge ordeal, and then the media does an excellent job of divide and conquer by not even focusing on the issues, but instead focusing on hate, fear, misrepresentations, and so forth. Make people hate and fear 'the other side' enough and they won't dare "waste" their vote and will happily vote for somebody they don't even like, but dislike less than the alternative.

And obviously you're straw manning things. The reason people screw over other people is because they expect there will be no consequences. Whether this is some thug mugging a guy for $20 on the street corner, or a guy in a suit developing ever more novel strategies to ultimately refuse healthcare to people - it's the exact same issue. When there are consequences, the entire calculus changes.

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