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Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Re: Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Post by freejazz »

bitwize wrote: post #100
guelo wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why are those on the right that objected to Obama not objecting to Trump?

Because to them, the "right person" is doing it for the "right reasons". Same as the Obama supporters, really. It's like, do we live in a constitutional republic with consistent rules the government is expected to follow, or is it "for my friends, anything; for my enemies, the law"?

One is complying with actual statutory law, the other is just ad hoc vengeance. You might not like it but one is an approach actually consistent with the constitutional order of power in this country and the other isn't. I'm so exhausted with this "tit for tat" bs. At best, it's a tacit admission that it is wrong and you don't care.

Re: Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Post by mmooss »

jimbokun wrote: post #109
joshuanapoli wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So far, the funding in question is research grants. There's an argument that research is more effective at the universities that have concentrated the best researchers.

Top US state schools have a lot of really good researchers.

And those researchers at state schools will tell you that many of the Ivys, and other elite schools such as MIT and Caltech, are better.

Some state schools are among the elite, such as Berkeley, of course, and UCLA, Michigan ... depending on how large your 'elite' is.

Re: Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Post by HDThoreaun »

op00to wrote: post #104
mcmcmc wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s also an argument that public funds should go to public schools.

What about private research institutes? They don’t really educate anyone, not in the way that people think of when they say education. Why must all funds only go to public organizations?

why should the government pay for that? If people want to do private research thats up to them

Re: Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Post by mmooss »

steveBK123 wrote: post #47
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #42

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> BUT, I think the constant focus in the press on the Ivys when we talk about education is a huge distraction from how we are actually going to improve access, quality & cost to education in this county. Because the entire discussion around colleges of all sizes, who gets to go and who pays has been turned entirely into yet another fucking stupid culture war issue by Republicans, putting rural/tradesman "real" Americ…

RE: our parents working their way through college, I think two things happened at least, yes. Reagan gutted education spending. But also the bifurcation of blue vs white collar wages really accelerated through the last 40 years. That is the spread between what my dad made working at a record store vs the professor/admin staff/etc at his college made increased tremendously. Think about it - minimum wage at federal lev…

Awhile ago, a graph showed tuition tightly and negatively correlated to government funding.

Re: Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Post by prasadjoglekar »

freejazz wrote: post #187
prasadjoglekar wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the funds are disbursed from the public Treasury, it is very much a political decision. You can put some intermediary bureaucrats to create a face of objectivity, but it's a political decision at it's core.

Do you understand that Congress has the power of the purse and the President does not?

Snark aside, Yes I do. Congress if fully capable of being specific when it wants to and delegating to the executive when it doesn't. For example they required the A10 airplane to continue to operate. They didn't specify the caliber of bullets to use.

Re: Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Post by freejazz »

eastbound wrote: post #160
mmooss wrote: post #140

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This unlimited relativism is bizarre. If Trump invaded Canada, is his argument that Roosevelt invaded Germany? There is a difference between one and the other. What does the Duke lacrosse case have to do with it?

Duke lacrosse what the epitome of “Guilty because male”… which made the wind turn around and you have a situation to deal with now. All of this because people don’t want the left’s “Guilty because male” or “because [race]” solution, and they made it known through the ballots. For those who don’t know: Under Title IX, in summary, accusers of rape have all rights for their case to be treated by internal boards in the u…

So Trump can defy the constitutional order because of how Duke bungled a case of rape accusations? I don't follow that.

Re: Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Post by masfuerte »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #42
steveBK123 wrote: post #9

I am not a fan of the orange man. But I think its an interesting question if the feds should be funding rich Ivies with small numbers of students vs more efficient state universities which educated 100s of thousands each at a fraction of the cost per student. All of the Ivy League combined educate 65k undergrads. SUNY by comparison educates 5x that many at a tuition of 1/5th to 1/10th depending on in/out of state and…

> BUT, I think the constant focus in the press on the Ivys when we talk about education is a huge distraction from how we are actually going to improve access, quality & cost to education in this county. Because the entire discussion around colleges of all sizes, who gets to go and who pays has been turned entirely into yet another fucking stupid culture war issue by Republicans, putting rural/tradesman "real" Americ…

Funnily enough, when the law was passed giving the president the authority to meddle in university governance, Reagan vetoed it. And the left, in congress and the senate, forced it through.

Re: Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Post by mmooss »

didgetmaster wrote: post #78

It is part of the political reality that we live in. Whichever party is currently in power, will inevitably use that power to promote ideas that are favorable to them and to dissuade ideas that they are opposed to. The same people who are whining about the Trump administration abusing their power by doing these things; were cheering on the Biden administration for doing similar things from the opposite angle. This is…

> the political reality that we live in

Reality is something that exists regardless of what you think. Politics is what you make it; you don't 'live in it'; it's yours.

> Whichever party is currently in power, will inevitably use that power to promote ideas that are favorable to them and to dissuade ideas that they are opposed to.

No prior president of either party has done anything like what Trump does, and you know it. Do you think nobody will notice if you make some rhetorical argument?

Re: Why can't Ivies cope with losing a few hundred million?

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

zanecodes wrote: post #87
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But also the bifurcation of blue vs white collar wages really accelerated through the last 40 years. That is the spread between what my dad made working at a record store vs the professor/admin staff/etc at his college made increased tremendously. Think about it - minimum wage at federal level has only doubled in the last 40 years, while some quick googling looks like professors make 5-10x what they made 40 years a…

For the curious, the graphs in question: https://daughternumberthree.blogspot.com/2020/01/graphing-re...

Oh man I didn't know there was a full blog post too!
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