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Re: U.S. autism data project sparks uproar over ethics, privacy and intent

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Post by thrance »

47282847 wrote: post #157
thrance wrote: post #131

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More often than not, it's the other way around. Being born in the bourgeoisie, like Trump and Musk, grooms you into a certain way of thinking. You're told your whole life you are exceptional, above everyone else. No wonder they turn out like that. Read up on both of these guys' educations if you're interested in this.

Both Trump and Musk may have been born into “bourgeoisie“, but the connecting and relevant factor here is a highly traumatizing childhood with highly traumatized parents.

I don't know why you put bourgeoisie in quotes like it's a ridiculous concept.

With the kind of analysis you give we're stuck with surface level "oh they're just a bad batch", when they're pure products of a system that makes series of them. It's not like they are thousands just like Trump, ready to step in if he loses power.

The bourgeoisie has a material interest in installing fascism, which is why we're here. Bezos, Musk and Zuckerberg are among the only ones to profit from the current circus.

It's not the first time it happens either, this has been proven times and times again. Look up the relations of Hitler and Mussolini with the capitalist class of their times.

I am not saying them having a shitty childhood had no influence on their politics, simply that it is not nearly enough to understand our current state of affairs.

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Post by RacingTheClock »

Boogie_Man wrote: post #156
RacingTheClock wrote: post #141

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I think 1 in 36 kids having autism is similar to how breast cancer diagnosis shot up when we had better imaging ability or when we figured out prostate cancer was actually fairly common in older men but not usually something worth doing anything about. When we merged in aspergers and autism together that obviously makes autism rates higher and as research continues on diagnosing autism it makes sense rates increase f…

I sincerely hope this is the explanation and I will be frustrated if this information is not presented as a percentage of the increase as part of the report. If it fully explains the increase, even better.

I agree that I’m frustrated that this isn’t being coveted. Asperger’s being moved into autism was huge news at the time, so idk how RFK missed something so obvious and is pointing to quackery like vaccines. I don’t understand how we got to the point where cranks are trying to to prove their assumptions instead of real scientists.

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Post by thrance »

austin-cheney wrote: post #178
thrance wrote: post #136

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This country needs to crumble on itself, 30% of Americans are still behind Trump, whatever he does. This will not be fixed easily.

I really believe it’s a messaging problem and a money problem. There is money guiding media to rally around a message/figure and it’s rewarded handsomely in return. That’s the problem to fix.

There will always be insane amounts of money towards right-wing propaganda in media. If it is ever made illegal, it will be lobbied into legality again. If lobbying is made illegal, politicians will be corrupted into allowing it.

It would take something very radical to fix the massive imbalance of power in this world. Something I fear Amercians are not ready for. So let it burn, maybe something better will emerge from the ashes.

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Post by shepherdjerred »

ekianjo wrote: post #92
jsheard wrote: post #33

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> shortly after the abolishment of lobotomy That's an important bit of context whenever RFK Jr. talks about how conditions like Autism and ADHD weren't a thing when he was growing up - his own aunt, who may well have had one of those conditions, was dealt with by giving her a lobotomy and then hiding her away. Those are the supposedly better times he's harkening back to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary_Kennedy

Lobotomy was not given to young children even when it was a thing...

> who was one of the youngest survivors of the transorbital lobotomy, a procedure performed on him when he was 12 years old.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Dully

Re: U.S. autism data project sparks uproar over ethics, privacy and intent

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Post by 47282847 »

thrance wrote: post #191
47282847 wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both Trump and Musk may have been born into “bourgeoisie“, but the connecting and relevant factor here is a highly traumatizing childhood with highly traumatized parents.

I don't know why you put bourgeoisie in quotes like it's a ridiculous concept. With the kind of analysis you give we're stuck with surface level "oh they're just a bad batch", when they're pure products of a system that makes series of them. It's not like they are thousands just like Trump, ready to step in if he loses power. The bourgeoisie has a material interest in installing fascism, which is why we're here. Bezo…

I put it in quotes because I quoted you.

From my understanding, it is not wealth that creates sociopathy, it is a traumatic childhood. For me it points to the origin, and thus the fix, which is why I find that distinction not only relevant but crucial. After studying a broad body of literature around the connection between trauma and violence and politics, I do believe this would indeed be “nearly enough to understand the current state of affairs“. What connects Hitler and Mussolini and Trump and Putin is not wealth but severe early childhood violence.

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Post by gruez »

cantrecallmypwd wrote: post #186
sethammons wrote: post #144

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Context: Musk: Yeah, [Gad Saad is] awesome, and he talks about, you know, basically suicidal empathy. Like, there's so much empathy that you actually suicide yourself. So, we've got civilizational suicidal empathy going on. And it's like, I believe in empathy, like, I think you should care about other people, but you need to have empathy for, for civilization as a whole, and not commit to a civilizational suicide. Ro…

It's a dog whistle for hyper-individualism, radical selfishness, violating Kantian ethics, and stepping over homeless people.

>violating Kantian ethics

???

How does "there's so much empathy that you actually suicide yourself" violate "Kantian ethics"?

Also, if we accept that "dogwhistle" framing, what should we make of the average leftist commenter saying that greed/inequality is a weakness of US's economic system? Maybe that's actually a "dogwhistle" for hyper-collectivism, radical Bolshevism, and stepping over rich people? Or is the "dogwhistle" characterization only a thing you apply to the Other Side?

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Post by brightball »

jaybrendansmith wrote: post #184
goku12 wrote: post #164

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> Hasn’t RFK Jr spent his entire life trying to find the cause and cure for autism? Has he? That 'cure' part makes it pretty clear what his background with autism is. He has no clue about it. It's certainly not a disease nor a brain injury that can be cured. And it's too complex to be caused by something like a vaccine. All I see is that he has a particular disdain for autistic people and he wants to use autism to ta…

That takedown was boss. Thank you. As a parent of two autistic children, and uncle to many more in my family, I can say that it is clear their minds develop differently, and many high-functioning autists successfully mask it and make it later in life. And these are quite often extremely gifted intellectually and academically, to the degree that while life is a struggle for them socially, they are far better than thei…

It really wasn’t any sort of “takedown”. It was the same stuff people have been saying on the internet for years that’s disconnected from what is reality for so many parents.

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Post by ekianjo »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #194
ekianjo wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lobotomy was not given to young children even when it was a thing...

> who was one of the youngest survivors of the transorbital lobotomy, a procedure performed on him when he was 12 years old. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Dully

You can detect autism in kids before they are 5... So my point still stands

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Post by computerthings »

thrance wrote: post #131
cruzcampo wrote: post #85

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More often than not, it's the other way around. Being born in the bourgeoisie, like Trump and Musk, grooms you into a certain way of thinking. You're told your whole life you are exceptional, above everyone else. No wonder they turn out like that. Read up on both of these guys' educations if you're interested in this.

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Post by cycrutchfield »

brightball wrote: post #197
jaybrendansmith wrote: post #184

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That takedown was boss. Thank you. As a parent of two autistic children, and uncle to many more in my family, I can say that it is clear their minds develop differently, and many high-functioning autists successfully mask it and make it later in life. And these are quite often extremely gifted intellectually and academically, to the degree that while life is a struggle for them socially, they are far better than thei…

It really wasn’t any sort of “takedown”. It was the same stuff people have been saying on the internet for years that’s disconnected from what is reality for so many parents.

It absolutely refuted every inane speculation you made. I understand you clearly aren’t here to listen or change your mind, so it unfortunately passed right over your head.
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