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Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by eMPee584 »

dodos wrote: post #99
collias wrote: post #93

I find this to be profoundly depressing. I've just recently re-discovered the joy of writing my own songs, and playing them with (actual) instruments. It's something I get immense pleasure from, and for once, I'm actually getting some earned traction. In another life, I may have been a musician, and it's something I fantasize about regularly. With all these AI-generated music tools, the world is about to be flooded w…

I feel its already hit the tipping point. I used to listen to mixes on youtube liberally, but I've now had to filter all searches to pre-2023 due to the flood of slop that's appeared. I used to finds loads of great up-coming musicians, but the amount of effort required to do so has increased considerably. I am tired of filtering out the slop.

SEARCH TIP: As the default search prioritizes newer content, it's quite tedious to find older takes on youtube.. there's a workaround though: web search for site:youtube.com and set a custom date range (ddg: click on "Any time", g: "Tools" on the right side) to sidetrack the big tech attention economy brainrot algorithm.. : D

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by voidspark »

Juliate wrote: post #187
voidspark wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they do it waaaay better No they don't. There is a very limited supply of developers who are better than me. I am talking about a future where we have a practically infinite supply of cheap AGI software developers that are vastly superior to the smartest human being who ever lived.

And where do you find the energy technology required for that to happen? Hint: it's not on the radar, but if you account for several fundamental breakthroughs in energy production, storage and transport, and all that while having positive side-effects on Earth's ecosystem, within the next 50 years.

I'm not talking about current primitive technology with these power hungry LLMs.

The human brain runs on only 0.3 kWh per day. There is much room for optimization for artificial intelligence.

They don't need many super intelligent systems to replace the relatively small number of software developers.

Just build a few nuclear power stations. Cheaper than millions of developer salaries.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by lnenad »

summerlight wrote: post #96
eucryphia wrote: post #7

You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

Well you know, all those fun and creative parts in software engineering has been taken over by vibe coding and now humans are supposed to do only tedious works, so probably the same thing applies here.

> Well you know, all those fun and creative parts in software engineering has been taken over by vibe coding

What? In what way? Fun and creative parts are thinking about arch, approach, technologies. You shouldn't be letting AI do this. Typing out 40 lines of a React component or FastAPI handler does not involve creativity. Plus nobody is forcing you to use AI to write code, you can be as involved with that as you'd like to.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by phatfish »

dodos wrote: post #99
collias wrote: post #93

I find this to be profoundly depressing. I've just recently re-discovered the joy of writing my own songs, and playing them with (actual) instruments. It's something I get immense pleasure from, and for once, I'm actually getting some earned traction. In another life, I may have been a musician, and it's something I fantasize about regularly. With all these AI-generated music tools, the world is about to be flooded w…

I feel its already hit the tipping point. I used to listen to mixes on youtube liberally, but I've now had to filter all searches to pre-2023 due to the flood of slop that's appeared. I used to finds loads of great up-coming musicians, but the amount of effort required to do so has increased considerably. I am tired of filtering out the slop.

Find some good independent online radio stations that you like. There are successful ones out there, nts.live and rinse.fm in the UK for example. Obviously they exist in other countries too.

I say independent as most radio is stacked with adverts, but the above two seem successful without needing them.

I find the human curation far more satisfying than an algorithm, and most DJs want to support human artists not bland AI nonsense as they have a stake in the music industry.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by j_maffe »

cambaceres wrote: post #154
collias wrote: post #93

I find this to be profoundly depressing. I've just recently re-discovered the joy of writing my own songs, and playing them with (actual) instruments. It's something I get immense pleasure from, and for once, I'm actually getting some earned traction. In another life, I may have been a musician, and it's something I fantasize about regularly. With all these AI-generated music tools, the world is about to be flooded w…

> I've just recently re-discovered the joy of writing my own songs Good for you man, how will AI stop you? Are you writing songs for the pleasure of writing songs or for getting validation from other people?

It's not about validation, it's about expression and communicationw with other humans. That's one of the key beauties of art and it's being flooded away with artificial, empty content

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by Juliate »

voidspark wrote: post #179
chii wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are still blacksmiths today, selling artisanal products. I dont believe it to be any different with the advent of AGI. What you don't get of course, is the economic benefit of previously.

If AGI takes my job as a software developer, my career is finished. I don't know what else to do. Companies won't give a shit about "artisanal" code.

You don't need "companies". You need enough customers to buy/support your work so that you get a living out of it.

Being a software developer is a _facet_ of your work. You (unconsciously perhaps) do many other things around/with it that the most efficient AI today cannot do alone. And AGI is still far on the horizon, if not a mirage.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by Fraterkes »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #162
antononcube wrote: post #110

The creation of music by AI brings to mind a quote from David Bowie: “Music itself is going to become like running water or electricity. So take advantage of these last few years, because this will never happen again. Get ready for a lot of touring, because that's the only unique experience left.” While Bowie had different reasoning for making that statement, it's interesting to think that with AI-generated music, hi…

The musicians of the 19th century were free to produce anything they liked. They were free to write a "Missa Solemnis" where the very silence is breathtaking, where one does not merely hear that God has died, but where one feels His rebirth. And what have they done? Have they produced in their liberty anything grander or more beautiful than the scrawling of the deaf composer? Have they summoned sounds more jubilant t…

Those who can't do, poorly write jejune art critiscism.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by ctxc »

rixed wrote: post #40
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #23

I've made a few tracks using Suno to scratch my own itch / desire for music that covers certain themes. The best use of Suno for has been the ease with which you can generate diss tracks: I ask Gemini to make a diss track lyrics related to specific topics, and then I have Suno generate the actual track. It's very cathartic when you're sitting at home in the dark because the power company continues to fail. Anyway, I…

> cathartic when you're sitting at home in the dark because the power company continues to fail Ironical remark about the power drawn by IA assisted creation left to the reader.

> > cathartic when you're sitting at home in the dark because the power company continues to fail

> Ironical remark about the power drawn by IA assisted creation left to the reader.

Thanks for pointing that out, was scratching my head on that

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by voidspark »

Juliate wrote: post #196
voidspark wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If AGI takes my job as a software developer, my career is finished. I don't know what else to do. Companies won't give a shit about "artisanal" code.

You don't need "companies". You need enough customers to buy/support your work so that you get a living out of it. Being a software developer is a _facet_ of your work. You (unconsciously perhaps) do many other things around/with it that the most efficient AI today cannot do alone. And AGI is still far on the horizon, if not a mirage.

Hey we're talking about a future scenario where AGI actually exists and is vastly better at software development than any human, and can do it much cheaper than current developer salaries.

We're talking about science fiction which may become true much sooner than most people expect.

I would be competing with cheap AGI services so it makes no difference whether I am a freelancer or not.

> Being a software developer is a _facet_ of your work. You (unconsciously perhaps) do many other things around/with it

The non-development parts of my job are not interesting at all. If that's gone then my career is finished. I'm done.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by shmeeed »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #162
antononcube wrote: post #110

The creation of music by AI brings to mind a quote from David Bowie: “Music itself is going to become like running water or electricity. So take advantage of these last few years, because this will never happen again. Get ready for a lot of touring, because that's the only unique experience left.” While Bowie had different reasoning for making that statement, it's interesting to think that with AI-generated music, hi…

The musicians of the 19th century were free to produce anything they liked. They were free to write a "Missa Solemnis" where the very silence is breathtaking, where one does not merely hear that God has died, but where one feels His rebirth. And what have they done? Have they produced in their liberty anything grander or more beautiful than the scrawling of the deaf composer? Have they summoned sounds more jubilant t…

That's a lot of words on a very overarching tangent. If one may ask, what music, exactly, do you consider joyful and worthy?
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