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Judge Rules Blanket Search of Cell Tower Data Unconstitutional

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Re: Judge Rules Blanket Search of Cell Tower Data Unconstitutional

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I think there's a disconnect in the way we're looking at this. It seems like you feel the person who told the officers to "go do this" is at fault, and anyone who did isn't. I feel strongly that both are at fault. If a mob boss orders a murder and a hitman carries it out, they're both at fault. Same deal here.

“You feel”? Who is “you”? Are you referring to me? I have no feelings or judgement on any particular case. I have no facts about them. I don’t care because I am not involved and I am not in authority. Please do not ascribe judgements to me that I am not making. I was simply asking questions to clarify a typical process that may be hypothetically followed. Thank you.

Sorry, there's multiple people in the conversation. I was originally speaking to the person that said this

> They were allowed to gather the evidence - they had a warrant from a judge. The judge erred, not the police.

And that statement makes it very clear that, if the judge gives the ok to do something, then the judge is at fault; and _not_ the person that actually does the thing. I disagree with this. The person who does the thing is responsible for their own actions. The judge may _also_ be at fault, but that doesn't absolve the officer who took the action.

Your response (in the context of what I said)

>> if a judge tells a police officer they can do something

> Who commands the police officer to do things? Is it his/her superior, or the judge directly?

Seems to indicate you think I said the judge is the one who ordered the officer to do the thing. I didn't. I said the judge gave permission for it.

To be very clear, in a situation where

1. Tier 1 officer orders Tier 2 officer to have a thing done

2. Tier 2 officer orders Tier 3 officer to do the thing

3. Judge authorizes Tier 3 officer to do the thing

4. Tier 3 officer does the thing

If "the thing" is clearly illegal (to a reasonable person), then ALL of those individuals are at fault. And Tier 3 officer clearly broke the law when doing the thing.

I believe that

Re: Judge Rules Blanket Search of Cell Tower Data Unconstitutional

#192

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You're interpreting GP's comment in bad faith.

He used the word "never". That's not a word requiring interpretation. And for finding this gaping hole in his argument, I'm rewarded by getting flagged.

People usually understand that rules can have exceptions, and natural language is limited in its precision.

Re: Judge Rules Blanket Search of Cell Tower Data Unconstitutional

#193

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He used the word "never". That's not a word requiring interpretation. And for finding this gaping hole in his argument, I'm rewarded by getting flagged.

People usually understand that rules can have exceptions, and natural language is limited in its precision.

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Re: Judge Rules Blanket Search of Cell Tower Data Unconstitutional

#194

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I've told this story on here before. When I was 16 or 17, the place I was working got robbed. The guy just opened the register while I was fixing part of the greenhouse building. The police showed up and took my statement, in which I said I didn't hear a car, so I assume he just ran off. They took me in about two weeks later for an official statement. Then told me I had to take a polygraph because my stories didn't m…

Did you take the polygraph?

Like I said. Yes I did and they said I failed, just like my cop friend told me they would. They were just using it to try to get me to confess.

Subsequently, it's your answers that are admissable in court, not the results. If you're ever given a polygraph, they will ask you to lie on a question or two "as a baseline." Refuse to do that. They will use it against you.

Re: Judge Rules Blanket Search of Cell Tower Data Unconstitutional

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I've told this story on here before. When I was 16 or 17, the place I was working got robbed. The guy just opened the register while I was fixing part of the greenhouse building. The police showed up and took my statement, in which I said I didn't hear a car, so I assume he just ran off. They took me in about two weeks later for an official statement. Then told me I had to take a polygraph because my stories didn't m…

This is just wtf… In my origin country they require witnesses to sign off witness statements. This isn’t the case here, in the US? How you were summoned? Was it official? What if you’d shown with lawyer? I think that now it’s already established that polygraphs are bullshit. Could you refuse it?

I was summoned by a detective calling me and telling me I had to come to the station. I was 16 or 17 and didn't know any better. I'm not sure it was official, but I have no idea how that works.

Witness statements are supposed to be signed. I never even saw the reports from any of the cops I interacted with. I think they were just lying the entire time.

They told me I didn't need a lawyer if I was innocent. And because I was 16 or 17, I believed them. I'm hindsight, I would've had a lawyer immediately.

It's a fucking mess, but it's pretty standard practice at the garbage police station where I grew up. I'm assuming it's like that in more places.

Re: Judge Rules Blanket Search of Cell Tower Data Unconstitutional

#196
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Never talk to the police. Let your lawyers do the talking.

Im sorry but Ive got to talk to them to take the fucking piss out of them. My interview tapes are hilarious.

“We can put you in Queens on the night of the robbery.”

“Oh really? I live in Queens. You got a team of monkeys working on this or something?”

Re: Judge Rules Blanket Search of Cell Tower Data Unconstitutional

#198

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People usually understand that rules can have exceptions, and natural language is limited in its precision.

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Then why do your comments read _exactly_ like what I see on YouTube?

Re: Judge Rules Blanket Search of Cell Tower Data Unconstitutional

#199

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'Your constitutional rights were violated but tough luck, nothing can be done about it because the court is extending special 'good faith' courtesy to the police that you don't get (some animals are more equal than others in court decisions/considerations when minor laws (the fourth amendment) are broken)'. And people wonder why American's are apathetic to it all. A judge can just wave away constitutional violations…

Go back and reread the comment you replied to. The exception can only happen once, because the precedent doesn’t exist until that ruling is made.

Got it, Constitutional rights were violated, but our Constitution, the highest law in the land, has it written in that precedent is put above the Constitution.

Re: Judge Rules Blanket Search of Cell Tower Data Unconstitutional

#200

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Fentanyl is an illegal drug. There is an Analog Acct that makes it so that close analogs to fentanyl are illegal. That was done because people were making analogs and getting away with it. Drug dealers then went to their lawyers and asked if certain formulations fell under the Analog Act. Their lawyer said no and wrote out how they were legal and didn't fall under the analog act. They sold the drugs and went to priso…

Just curious, what case are you referencing?

I believe one of the parties last names is some form of Sullivan. Don't know the specific case to look up in Lexus.
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