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Pentagon to terminate $5.1B in IT contracts with Accenture, Deloitte

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Re: Pentagon to terminate $5.1B in IT contracts with Accenture, Deloitte

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The big 3 get hired to protect managers. Hire a smaller consulting firm and the project goes sideways you both get fired. Hire a big firm and it goes sideways they get fired - until the next project.

Sounds like the contracts are not written correctly then.

Re: Pentagon to terminate $5.1B in IT contracts with Accenture, Deloitte

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I have experience in technology and biomedical research. IT consultants, particularly from the large firms, are very overpriced for the value they provide. Blindly cutting NIH grants (even some of the ones that sound silly on paper) and funding for research institutions is doing great harm to progress in modern medicine. Multiple things can be true at once.

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Haven't you seen the documentary Inside Job covering the 2008 financial crisis? "Burning it all down and starting over" is a very immature and myopic perspective and cannot be taken seriously as a workable solution. The solution is to implement regulation that, very broadly here, enacts mechanisms to make private gain for public loss something incredibly difficult to do.

There need to be checks against people in positions of great wealth, power, and influence because people cannot be trusted to self-regulate and Do the Right Thing when large sums of money are on the table. "Self-determination of a conflict of interest is itself a conflict of interest."

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_Job_(2010_film)

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2IaJwkqgPk

[2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-02-05/white-hou...

Re: Pentagon to terminate $5.1B in IT contracts with Accenture, Deloitte

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So you are comparing existing, actual waste with your "imaginary" waste that might or might not happen... Go easy on the kool aid.

Remind me in 6 months.

Won't even have to wait that long. Elon will be stepping down at the end of his special employee tenure in a month or two in which he expects to save $1T.

Re: Pentagon to terminate $5.1B in IT contracts with Accenture, Deloitte

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It might be a small percentage of the pentagon’s budget. But it’s still $5.1bn of taxpayer money being reigned in here. It’s $13 per person in the country. You could do an awful lot of good with that kind of money - from space programs to science funding.

> You could do an awful lot of good with that kind of money Or given to billionaires

Exactly. Most of these "savings" will be fed into significant tax cuts that are almost certainly going to benefit the rich more than anyone else.

Re: Pentagon to terminate $5.1B in IT contracts with Accenture, Deloitte

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It will not be announced. Fun fact: the current Republican administration was pushing a budget that substantially increased the federal deficit. The one that was finally approved is still a massive budget deficit increase. Obama reduced the deficit by nearly half during his presidency, the current FY2025 budget has authorized a $1.9 trillion deficit (6.2% of GDP), with reconciliation instructions potentially allowing…

For the unenlightened soul, where is lion's share of that money being spent? (preferably in more detail than just "tax cuts")

> preferably in more detail than just "tax cuts"

That's like asking what an ocean is but preferably in more detail than just water.

But to answer the question, we really can't give more detail. Congress passes a budget and delegates out to subcommittees to figure out how to spend the money (not revenue) that they were allotted.

So a subcommittee has been authorized to find 4.5T of tax cuts over the next ten years and we won't know what they are until a later date.

Re: Pentagon to terminate $5.1B in IT contracts with Accenture, Deloitte

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Yeah that’s going to be the problem. The pay bands are so low they would be lucky to get people with degrees at all. Definitely not talent

Pay isn’t everything. Government civilian GS employees have an extremely generous benefits package and usually excellent job security. Contractors frequently take pay cuts to work directly as a government employee for these reasons.

And now they do not have job security.

Re: Pentagon to terminate $5.1B in IT contracts with Accenture, Deloitte

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On the face of it cutting huge IT govt contracts sounds like a good choice to reduce waste, but with this administration I'm expecting any savings to be funneled to Grok/xAI/Elon.

Deloitte, Accenture, etc, have such bad reputations as any Indian offshore company TCS, Wipro, etc. Just add more billable hours, milk and milk.

Re: Pentagon to terminate $5.1B in IT contracts with Accenture, Deloitte

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Yeah that’s going to be the problem. The pay bands are so low they would be lucky to get people with degrees at all. Definitely not talent

Pay isn’t everything. Government civilian GS employees have an extremely generous benefits package and usually excellent job security. Contractors frequently take pay cuts to work directly as a government employee for these reasons.

That ship has sailed now, though. The benefits and job security can no longer be counted on. Government is gonna have to compete more on salary, or accept worse candidates.

Re: Pentagon to terminate $5.1B in IT contracts with Accenture, Deloitte

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So, realistically speaking, we've seen lots of corruption protections stripped away in parts of the federal government - SEC to stop prosecuting things, Inspector Generals fired, loyalty pledges, etc.

Who would need to be on board with changes in the Pentagon to strip away protections there? I'd assume it's quite a bit more insular than other parts of the federal government.

Re: Pentagon to terminate $5.1B in IT contracts with Accenture, Deloitte

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The trend for decades has been shrinking the public workforce and replacing them with contractors, because Republicans have said that the private sector is more efficient. So the average government office worker is not a tech, they are a contract officer. The government does not have these skills internally at the level necessary, if they want this work done they have to contract it out. And if these contracts get ca…

The size of the federal workforce has been remarkably stable for decades[1]. It hasn't dipped below 2.7 million since 1967 ad only recently cracked 3 million again. [1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CES9091000001

And in 1970 the US population was 203 million compared to 340 million now.
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