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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by nbaugh1 »

ta1243 wrote: post #159
Brendinooo wrote: post #27

>This newsletter doesn’t delve into politics, and the reason for this change is both pretty obvious and not in need of further discussion here. Can someone state the obvious for me please? The two thoughts in my head were "this is because tourism is down" and "this is because migrants/asylum seekers aren't crossing the border at the moment". I would think you'd draw different conclusions if it's one or the other, but…

Do asylum seekers and migrants typically immigrate in JFK, Miami, LAX, or Orlando? I thought the problem the US had was people crossing the land border from Mexico?

A lot of people do immigrate by flying in and not leaving when their visa expires. It doesn't make for very spectacular news footage though. Not sure what the numbers are, but I used to work in restaurants with lots of people who were "undocumented" and they all came to the US via flight. The people crossing the border on foot are absolutely destitute and easy targets of animosity

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by elric »

aiisahik wrote: post #13

Americans do not understand how much press there is outside the US about tourists from Ireland / Germany / Canada getting locked up in ICE jails for weeks on end. It's one thing to refuse entry to someone who doesn't have the right documents. The fear goes to a completely different level once people see tourists getting locked up. As someone who lived in the US for 22 years legally and most of my social and business…

Anecdotally: a couple of years after 9/11, when I was a student, some of my friends who travelled to the US mysteriously disappeared for a few days. Turns out someone in the friend group had done some hackery type things (I won't go into more details to preserve their anonymity), and they were basically "detained" and interrogated for several days without being able to notify anyone, including any potential lawyers (not that students have lawyers on speed dial, but whatever). The culprit wasn't even among the people who were detained. No arrests were ever made. Just some good old scare tactics against teenagers.

Basically: behaviour at US borders has been iffy for a lot longer than some folks might think.

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Post by footy »

potato3732842 wrote: post #98
ulfw wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you trying to argue though? I am a bit at a loss to follow. Be so kind and explain. You want foreign readers to read news about how half of the US wants you, the foreign tourist, be locked up in a jail cell? The news is already out there. Everyone assumes it's so wanted, because well... it does actually happen

I'm not arguing anything. I'm agreeing. Why do I have to be arguing? "ICE goes crazy looking for crimes, hapless tourists caught up in the boondoggle" and "ICE detaining tourists for no good reason" Are both 100% true ways to headline the same events. Which framing is Europe getting? This is something to watch out for on all issues, not just immigration/foreign affairs.

both framings are equally bad for the potential tourist.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by littlecranky67 »

aiisahik wrote: post #13

Americans do not understand how much press there is outside the US about tourists from Ireland / Germany / Canada getting locked up in ICE jails for weeks on end. It's one thing to refuse entry to someone who doesn't have the right documents. The fear goes to a completely different level once people see tourists getting locked up. As someone who lived in the US for 22 years legally and most of my social and business…

> Americans do not understand how much press there is outside the US about tourists from Ireland / Germany / Canada getting locked up in ICE jails for weeks on end.

And they shouldn't. As far as I know, those cases of German getting locked up media coverage was intense, but the stories didn't check out. Those were cases of Germans entering by foot via Tijuana, making condracting claims to the ICE officer - raising suspicions with those officers. In case of entering the US by plane, I haven't seen and credible articles that resulted in detention.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by ta1243 »

peeters wrote: post #25

Knock, knock. Who's there? Me, can I come in? I don't know, come in and we'll find out. ...ok WHAT THE HELL WHY DID YOU COME IN YOU'RE NOT WELCOME HERE ...sorry but you said- I DON'T CARE WHAT I SAID. ...OK fine I'll just be leaving. OH YOU THINK YOU CAN JUST LEAVE? YOU CANT LEAVE! You'll be locked in my dank basement for the next five days while I fill out the paperwork for you to be dragged out of the house! But I…

It does feel that if you have to travel to america, using pre-clearance in a non-hostile state like Canada would be sensible.

They can deny you entry, but you're not going to be locked up in some sex dungeon for a week in Toronto

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by razepan »

n4r9 wrote: post #151
mlinhares wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spring break.

That's good to know, but presumably that happens every year so doesn't explain the year-on-year increase in March shown in the graph.

How about a dismantling of the USGOV and the spike is from former foreign service personnel returning home.

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Post by jillyboel »

Squeeeez wrote: post #141
daedrdev wrote: post #5

After several tourists were detained for weeks in terrible conditions, it’s little wonder why

Detention is already bad enough, but then reading something like this: https://bleedingcool.com/comics/british-comic-creator-r-e-bu... "While every item in her bag was swabbed and dismantled, she was subjected to a full body search. "I was in this very loud, weird, industrial space with pipes and conveyor belts and lights and sirens, being told to open my legs. I was silently crying, watching all my stuff being torn…

It's what happens when you put a convicted sexual abuser in charge

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Post by hartator »

sofixa wrote: post #120
chimeracoder wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Exactly this. If someone from "high tier" countries like Canada and Germany can get locked up in ICE jails for several weeks imagine someone like me from a peripheral European country. Even worse, my youngest brother that has a more "tanned" appearance. tattoos, and a beard. Out of curiosity, what do you think it's like to travel to Europe as someone who is dark-skinned, has a beard, and does not have a European pa…

> Out of curiosity, what do you think it's like to travel to Europe as someone who is dark-skinned, has a beard, and does not have a European passport? Depends on which part of Europe. In the more diverse parts, nobody would bat an eyelid (even if border police might profile you). EU Eastern Europe, you might get funny looks but it's still not an extraordinary situation to have various shades of skin colour (e.g. Syr…

> Nobody will throw you in jail in indefinite detention in another country with no human rights because of your skin colour, beard, tattoos or anything of the like.

Most EU country police don’t need probable cause to detain you. It does happen to be detained for no reason outside of profiling. For example, in France, you can be sent to jail for up to 24h with no probable cause.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by alxlaz »

aiisahik wrote: post #13

Americans do not understand how much press there is outside the US about tourists from Ireland / Germany / Canada getting locked up in ICE jails for weeks on end. It's one thing to refuse entry to someone who doesn't have the right documents. The fear goes to a completely different level once people see tourists getting locked up. As someone who lived in the US for 22 years legally and most of my social and business…

^ this. Once (oh, actually twice!) while travelling, I have had entirely benign trouble with paperwork (things like not filling a form correctly on the first attempt). Explaining the circumstances to someone who has to figure out if you're scatter-brained, unlucky, or an actual criminal, isn't particularly fun, but it's been entirely professional and civilised. We resolved it all in about half an hour. Didn't even miss a flight.

Now that it's a political issue, rather than a logistical matter, so it's no longer professional or civilised, no thanks. I have one US customer and thankfully Google Meet is enough, because I'm not getting anywhere near the US for them. I can find other customers if I have to, but I don't think legal fees for navigating the oh-we-totally-had-good-reason-to-think-he-was-a-terrorist-your-honour jail are as easily deductible. As for leisure, haha, no, there are plenty of things to see all over the world where the chances of getting jailed because you said the wrong thing about the wrong president are much smaller. My visa expires this year, I'm not planning to renew it any time soon.

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Post by matt3210 »

Squeeeez wrote: post #141
daedrdev wrote: post #5

After several tourists were detained for weeks in terrible conditions, it’s little wonder why

Detention is already bad enough, but then reading something like this: https://bleedingcool.com/comics/british-comic-creator-r-e-bu... "While every item in her bag was swabbed and dismantled, she was subjected to a full body search. "I was in this very loud, weird, industrial space with pipes and conveyor belts and lights and sirens, being told to open my legs. I was silently crying, watching all my stuff being torn…

This article sickens me and makes me ashamed to be an American
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