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Tech companies are telling immigrant employees on visas not to leave the U.S.

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>that gives thugs free rein to grab people who are not harming others off the street, and imprison them, is immoral, What's harm? Do they have to have harmful intent, or would you object if their presence was unintentionally harmful? Does the harm have to be grievous bodily injury, or is economic harm enough? Why am I allowed to evict trespassers from my home even if they're causing me no physical injury, but the gov…

The issue is many are not trespassers. This is the equivalent of a guest in your house. They have paperwork and are working jobs, are legal residents and PhD students. The guest opposes a political policy you like. Instead of ending it in a reasonable fashion and showing them out sensibly, you call your son, a boxer and drug addict, to show up, handcuff them and take them somewhere. I never elected Rubio to decide on…

>The issue is many are not trespassers.

No, because trespass refers to a smaller scale and a personal property sort of circumstance. But if we can extend that to the national level, just because they were invited (or in many cases overlooked and ignored) doesn't mean the property owner can't change his mind and uninvite them, or to decide that enough leeway has already been given and that they must be evicted.

>Instead of ending it in a reasonable fashion and showing them out sensibly

They were shown out sensibly. There's no need to give them extra time so they can go making public appeals and trying to weasel their way into staying. In fact, if they can do that long enough, a judge might just decide they're a tenant and allow them to stay indefinitely. No thanks.

>I never elected Rubio to decide on such things,

But you were fine with Democrats when they were elected? Isn't that just you being upset that public opinion swung a different direction and now the majority doesn't agree with your views?

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>Just look at workaholic societies like South Korea and Japan, societal pressures around earning money to support a family, So, if we check the unemployed in Japan, they will be baby daddies to six or seven children? It's not workaholism. >Education is in no way indoctrinating children into not wanting children. You understand that this sounds like a lie not because I watch Fox News, but rather because I've had the k…

I've had the kids come home telling me about how they were taught that the most important thing that they could do to lower their carbon footprint was to not have children ugh. i understand that this sentiment is going around. but i don't think it is coming from the school or the curriculum. it is more likely a teacher sharing their personal, misguided, opinion. We don't need a workforce, not enough industry left to…

>i understand that this sentiment is going around. but i don't think it is coming from the school or the curriculum.

I do not claim I saw it in a textbook. But it was spoken by an adult, by a teacher, and there is no evidence that in my case this opinion was ever discouraged. Furthermore, it played into a form of indoctrination that is now official policy (fight climate change!), and the views are prevalent and encouraged in various colleges of education where these teachers are trained.

To claim that just because it wasn't typed out on school district letterhead and filed with the state that it's not official policy is asinine.

>it is more likely a teacher sharing their personal, misguided, opinion.

That's also bullshit. In another thread on another day, that opinion could be expressed here on Hacker News, and it would be applauded. Climate change is real, it must be tackled using every available tool, etc etc. On reddit, it wouldn't just be applauded, they'd hold a parade and invite the person who said it to the Superbowl with free box seat tickets.

It's not personal, it is a growing consensus among that sort of personality and I'm told that once us old boomers are all senile the people who hold this opinion will all be taking over.

>that doesn't change the fact that companies demand trained employees.

Yes, and China, India, and the rest of Asia are happy to provide those for the companies' overseas locations. And have been happy to do so since the early 1990s if not before.

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>what is really needed is a change in education. we need to teach the next generation that operating in good faith is absolutely essential for the future of mankind. How can mankind have any future at all, when education is one of the tools used to indoctrinate children into not wanting children of their own someday? The first priority of any society/civilization must always be that of making the next generation of p…

Dude I live in a hyper red state. The majority of people I know have basically the same common values as friends in Santa Cruz. Now switch to talk in 'propagandized' terms and it switches to extreme, but remove that and just talk and there isn't much difference. They want immigrants gone, but every immigrant they know is hardworking good people and THEY should be allowed to stay. They want crime tougher but their fri…

>They want immigrants gone, but every immigrant they know is hardworking good people

Immigrants are, in large part, hard-working and decent people. I'd laugh my ass off at the suggestion that I could outwork any day laborer I've seen as I drive past Home Depot. Some drink and get a little rowdy, but not to a degree that would bother me if a citizen did so. That doesn't mean that I'm happy for them to be here, though. Our costs go up as they need to rent and make purchases too. Just because I don't want to pick apples for a living doesn't mean that their presence doesn't mean fewer jobs for Americans in general. Our culture changes in ways that can't be managed. None of these side effects are the sort that can be mitigated without drastically reducing immigration, both of the legal and illegal sort.

I don't really want the Chinese setting up secret police stations in my country, or blackmailing every immigrant (even those naturalized as our own citizens) to perform espionage on their behalf. Russians do this shit too. Do you?

All the rest of your concerns I suspect I'm more in agreement with you, but the immigration thing isn't good for anyone. These countries are being brain-drained by those who could fix things at home. Who could stop wars and other large-scale abuses. Who could be building the businesses that would life their people out of poverty. But they're over here trying to make a buck.

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> That the administration thinks they just just drag people into vans and ship them off to a foreign prison? Can you point to a specific instance where this has occurred, and what laws you believe were broken? I'm not qualified to say if the El Salvador detention facilities are legal or not, but my understanding is that ICE has always had the authority to arrest illegal immigrants, and that a potential penalty for il…

Just be aware that if you accept that non-citizens have no right to due process, you are accepting that citizens have no right to due process. All the government has to do is claim that you are not a citizen; without due process you have no chance to prove the contrary. [1] [1] https://bsky.app/profile/timothysnyder.bsky.social/post/3ll5...

> All the government has to do is claim that you are not a citizen; without due process you have no chance to prove the contrary.

Did any of the people who were deported claim to have been citizens?

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Dude I live in a hyper red state. The majority of people I know have basically the same common values as friends in Santa Cruz. Now switch to talk in 'propagandized' terms and it switches to extreme, but remove that and just talk and there isn't much difference. They want immigrants gone, but every immigrant they know is hardworking good people and THEY should be allowed to stay. They want crime tougher but their fri…

>They want immigrants gone, but every immigrant they know is hardworking good people Immigrants are, in large part, hard-working and decent people. I'd laugh my ass off at the suggestion that I could outwork any day laborer I've seen as I drive past Home Depot. Some drink and get a little rowdy, but not to a degree that would bother me if a citizen did so. That doesn't mean that I'm happy for them to be here, though.…

" Our costs go up as they need to rent and make purchases too." Would you support planned population control when it comes to births as well? 2 child policies? Are you pro-abortion because it means less competition for housing/jobs?

Are you for government controlled population resettlement of American citizens within the United States to level out where housing demand is high versus low?

My family all spoke German and lived in a german speaking town in Iowa (a state that 'their people' flooded with their immigration without asking the American's that lived there) up until WW2, they are American and American culture, but your proposal would have deported them because they didn't speak English/were changing the culture in ways that can't be managed and banned them from moving there. My mom a descendant of 'non-assimulatable Germans corrupting culture in America' was a controller at multiple software companies in the Bay Area. Sun-bleached blond blue eyed me played high school football (a sport of immigrant kids arguing over rules of the british sports it ended up springing from), surfed (why are Americans importing polynesian culture and ruining America?), restored muscle cars (America is polluting it's culture popularizing the GTO, it doesn't even have an English language name), and wrote software in Santa Cruz (Bay Area software owes hugely to immigrants).

The amount of AMAZING people, the ginormous amount of talent capital the Bay Area gained when Tiananmen happened causing a huge portion of the Chinese students in the US to want to/be allowed to stay makes me call BS on whatever fear mongering you are putting in your China argument that you think can't be addressed by standard laws. I love chinese people. Heck I love China, have you been there? Yeah there are differences that need to be addressed, but how about we address them instead of using those issues/differences to delegitimize an entire population of people?

Immigration is HUGELY beneficials to the US. Do you care about money? It costs minimum $250,000 to the parents to have a child. Another $10-20,000 per year in schooling costs to the government Added insurance cost to businesses when children are born/added to the plan. Instead of more housing like you would like, families tend to prefer larger, more suburban homes, reducing housing density and therefor reducing supply and raising costs. To get a wholy formed new worker for free is a huge boost to the country.

There is a town in Santa Cruz called Watsonville. I'm pretty sure it would meet your culture whatever BS because it is heavily latino so wrongculture. Guess what, before that when you probably would have given it a pass in your 'culture' test, it was Polish. And guess what, it didn't meet the THEN culture America First test of being American because it was filled with eastern Europeans poles.

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H1B is a dual-intent visa, which means holders are allowed to pursue permanent residency (upgrading them to an immigrant by the US legal definition) by applying for a green card. Most people use the term "immigrant" for people who have chosen to live in another country without considering the "non-immigrant" status of their visa.

An immigrant is a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country. An immigrant visa is a necessary precondition to being an immigrant.

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post #194

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Just be aware that if you accept that non-citizens have no right to due process, you are accepting that citizens have no right to due process. All the government has to do is claim that you are not a citizen; without due process you have no chance to prove the contrary. [1] [1] https://bsky.app/profile/timothysnyder.bsky.social/post/3ll5...

> All the government has to do is claim that you are not a citizen; without due process you have no chance to prove the contrary. Did any of the people who were deported claim to have been citizens?

How would we know if they did? Many were given no access to legal representation.

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Its not like immigrants have had wonderful, controllable and predictable paths to residency in the past. For those who arent Einstein or belong to the over rated HN crowd, the system has always be exploitative. Anyone who isnt born rich and has been through the process has had to live with constant fear, doubt and uncertainty.

+1. This. As an alien you would have generally been extra wary of your behavior. Civil disobedience and dedication to political action is not what you should expect of an average alien. Some natural born citizens seem to have been introduced to the immigrant experience yesterday.

> Civil disobedience and dedication to political action is not what you should expect of an average alien.

How does one square that with "Congress shall make no law abridging the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances" though?

Absolutely amazing how the "freedom" party turns out to not care about the actual freedoms when they're used by the wrong people to do the wrong things.

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My partner would initially find it difficult to learn that I, who she has known forever as a cisgender heterosexual male, am in fact a lesbian...

the confusion was caused by you using the term fiancée, which is the female form. the male form is fiancé

Correct, thanks.

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They did not mention a war. You can eliminate a race without a war or violence.

No you cant.

How do you think dog breeds get bred out? There aren't wars against them.

Its simple genetics and eugenics but i guess that doesn't work as good as a strawman and is too real for comfort.

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