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For many travellers it would be hard to find a flight plan without a stop in the US though.

And since many US airports do not have facilities for 'sterile transfers', people will require a US C1 Transit Visa to travel connecting through US.

idk this. Thank you.

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I'm not sure for which aspect you are looking for a source. Erin Reed raised the alarm about the potential visa interruptions, as reported here: [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/marco-rubi... If you're wondering why transgender travellers don't have documentation that matches their birth sex, it's because (gender identity aside) it's usually more important for documentation to match one's appeara…

It’s usually more important for official documentation to be accurate, not for it to match appearance. Many people appear younger or older than they are, but it would be bizarre to put apparent age on a passport. The document is supposed to act as the ground truth. Passports don’t currently contain a gender marker, so maybe that could be campaigned for.

Apparent age vs actual age follows a very different probability distribution than apparent sex vs actual sex (whatever that is). We don't have 10-year-olds looking like 90-year-olds, and if one existed, they would encounter a lot of problems at the border. This is analogous to someone who appears male, even on close inspection, but has an F on their passport (or birth certificate, or driver's license). Plus, these are the sorts of things you use to get a drink at a bar, not just borders.

Other countries allow one's sex to be changed legally to solve this problem. It's not "inaccurate" -- it's semantics. According to a different definition of sex (for instance, hormonal sex, which can be changed medically; or apparent sex), one's sex on passport might correctly differ from one's birth sex.

You might object that that's a worse definition, and those countries should change to the U.S.'s definition. But due to intersex people, there is no universally consistent binary definition of sex. For instance, no country which does not permit sex to be changed legally allows for options outside of "F" and "M". So if you believe sex cannot be changed, then you must also admit that there are people who can never have accurate passports.

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This website mixes some very real and very big problems (erosion of basic freedoms and rights in the US) with some entirely hallucinated ones (concentration camps for people with ADHD, and torture? I'd certainly want to learn more about that than a passing mention).

Personally I think the hyperbole only serves to cheapen the real problems.

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You could host it in Mexico or Canada, they're pretty nice!

For many travellers it would be hard to find a flight plan without a stop in the US though.

From which countries do you need to transit through the US to get either to Canada or Mexico?

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Iceland is a nice halfway point between the EU and the American continent, its a 5 hour flight from Boston and a 3.5 hour flight from London, its not a bad place to consider

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The full quote, as per Futurism: (emphasis mine) > I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall , and to spend time as much time as they need — three or four years if they need it — to learn to get reparented, to reconnect with c…

So he said nothing about ADHD.

"to get off Adderall"

Are you trying to claim that because he didn't specifically mention ADHD, despite mentioning the drug used to treat ADHD, that he's not talking about ADHD despite him holding views about neurodiversity that are at odds with the published literature on their treatment?

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95% of the world's countries inspect your phone at the border for messages critical of the government?

I've travelled several times to the US and never had that issue. Is really a thing? However our company issues specific laptops and phones before travelling to China as they do get searched.

Yes, it is a thing the US does.

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I'm not sure for which aspect you are looking for a source. Erin Reed raised the alarm about the potential visa interruptions, as reported here: [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/marco-rubi... If you're wondering why transgender travellers don't have documentation that matches their birth sex, it's because (gender identity aside) it's usually more important for documentation to match one's appeara…

There you have it. Just have the sex on your application match that at your birth. Also what jl6 said.

But if a transgender traveller applied for a visa with their birth sex instead of the sex on their documentation, this would very likely cause them to be flagged at the border, and they'd have a very difficult time entering the country (and reaching the conference). Surely you must agree?
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