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Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Post by yks »

assimpleaspossi wrote: post #159
yks wrote: post #100

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It's just a car bro. No one is "shooting oneself in the foot" by not owning Tesla of all things.

That's also my point. No one gains anything by not owning one, either. If one does like and want the car, they only hurt themselves by not buying one. If Tesla went out of business and one couldn't buy a car they wanted, they hurt themselves. I buy things that make me happy or give me an advantage of some sort. I wouldn't want to lose that. Someone else's politics or personal life don't matter to me.

This "hurting themselves" you're talking about is as hurtful as buying hot chocolate instead of coffee.

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Post by gainda »

assimpleaspossi wrote: post #172
gainda wrote: post #168

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You're already misremembering what actually happened - that he says that after two vigorous salutes.

And how does that change anything?

it ends up reading to me as an afterthought or half-hearted attempt to explain away the salute. a salute which was given with a grimace and a violent force, twice; it doesn't match the warmth of a message of 'my heart goes out to you.'

when you say 'my heart goes out to you' your hands typically stay on your heart ( which he seemed to know to do then ) or move very slightly directly out, not diagonally and up.

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Post by aoeusnth1 »

bartread wrote: post #27
boznz wrote: post #18

Might effect new buyers decisions I guess, but since about 99% of Tesla's were sold to green, left-leaning buyers, before the Elon hate-fest, I am not sure how targeting that group of people for your hatred is helping any "cause".

Sadly I think, and for some time now, we are well past the point where political action needs to make sense either to the people involved or to the people outside. The message, the narrative, they’re whatever you want them to be. Whether that makes sense - much less where the truth lies - is irrelevant.

Well, is your claim that's it's isnt working? Perhaps after Tesla is bankrupt 6 years from now, tycoons with political ambitions will be less likely to adopt extremist political stances.

It doesn't need to make sense to you, personally, the HN commentariat, to be effective political action.

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Post by spiderfarmer »

MPSimmons wrote: post #108
spiderfarmer wrote: post #33

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Also the stock was effectively a meme stock. So now the jig is up, the stock deflates like no other.

What sucks is that the cars* are actually very, very good cars. I've owned three of them so far, and I love driving and owning them. They take almost no maintenance, and I've only had one problem that needed me to take it into the shop, and it was for a recall that was totally handled in a day, and they gave me a loaner. Legitimately, Teslas have been the best cars I've ever owned, but thanks to Elon, I will never bu…

Tesla can continue to operate without Musk.

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Post by azakai »

sadteslaowner wrote: post #189
azakai wrote: post #171

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Why would selling cause more carbon in the atmosphere? I suppose it might if you replace with a non-EV, but there are plenty of good EVs.

Needlessly replacing a working item is over consumption. An EV has much more embodied carbon compared to an ICE vehicle and needs 20,000 miles to "break even." I'm likely 2 years away from that given our driving habits. You could argue that the next driver will pick up the slack for me, but I can't guarantee that to be the case.

While both those points would normally be valid, this is a pretty unique one-time event.

The best way to look at it is that cars are getting redistributed: left-leaning people that bought Teslas are trading them to right-leaning people (that's who are buying such cars today).

Those right-leaning people are getting fairly good deals from their perspective, and they'll use those cars, same as any traded car.

In fact, this is probably going to be a net win for the environment, because for many of those right-leaning people this will be their first electric vehicle, and some of them will continue that habit going forward. This is bringing EVs to a population that was resistant to them until now.

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Post by oenton »

Analemma_ wrote: post #107
lovich wrote: post #53

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>Why tear at a company that makes a great car over anyone's political preferences? With how our society is set up, you are suggesting not holding any political viewpoints or preferences. I had a whole diatribe typed up that I deleted because I realized I cannot actually empathize or have a theory of mind for how you could think this was an acceptable way to live life. Do you silo every interaction you have with every…

If it makes you feel better, the person you're replying to isn't siloing. These people set up a wonderful Catch-22: "we don't need laws or regulations: consumer choice and people voting with their wallets is enough to ensure good behavior. If people really care, they will stop buying it" (people exercise consumer choice and vote with their wallets) "Hey, whoa, not like that! Let's not bring politics into this!" What…

> What the OP and others like them actually want is a total lack of accountability for bad actors, and they will pick whatever argument is convenient in that moment regardless of consistency.

Thank you for eloquently putting this into words.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #131
dgfitz wrote: post #70

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> Musk will be bankrupt. Then what? “We win” somehow? Nailed it? Who cares?

Yes we do. A lot of people, for a lot of different reasons. For me, it will be the end of the biggest con, the stock market has ever seen. And I can't wait to read about the details behind it, once the dust settles.

What makes Tesla exactly a con? Their cars are amazing appliances, literally nothing in market like it, for less than a Toyota. FSD is largely delivered. Space internet for everyone (soon potentially also with Freedom™ now that Trump is involved in demonopolising space or whatever it's called) with a phone. Where is the con???

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Post by simongray »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #198
TheAlchemist wrote: post #131

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Yes we do. A lot of people, for a lot of different reasons. For me, it will be the end of the biggest con, the stock market has ever seen. And I can't wait to read about the details behind it, once the dust settles.

What makes Tesla exactly a con? Their cars are amazing appliances, literally nothing in market like it, for less than a Toyota. FSD is largely delivered. Space internet for everyone (soon potentially also with Freedom™ now that Trump is involved in demonopolising space or whatever it's called) with a phone. Where is the con???

Before the inauguration, Tesla was trading at a P/E 30 times bigger than Toyota. Now it's about half that (110).

Some say Tesla shouldn't be valued as a car stock; it should instead be valued as a Tech stock. Well, Tesla traded at a P/E about 4-5 times that of NVIDIA which itself had a high P/E compared to the other Magnificent 7 which in turn have a high P/E compared to the stock market in general.

What exactly is Tesla so great at that they deserve this enormous valuation? Its P/E has gone down to ~110 now, bit this is still incredibly high compared to e.g. NVIDIA which is trading at a P/E of ~40.

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Post by TheAlchemist »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #198
TheAlchemist wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes we do. A lot of people, for a lot of different reasons. For me, it will be the end of the biggest con, the stock market has ever seen. And I can't wait to read about the details behind it, once the dust settles.

What makes Tesla exactly a con? Their cars are amazing appliances, literally nothing in market like it, for less than a Toyota. FSD is largely delivered. Space internet for everyone (soon potentially also with Freedom™ now that Trump is involved in demonopolising space or whatever it's called) with a phone. Where is the con???

A lot of things, I will just cite one - "FSD is largely delivered". Really ? Can you tell us, where Full-Self Driving is really fully self-driving ? Like being able to summon your car from Los Angeles to New York, like Elon claimed one will be able to do in 2017 !

Tesla sold millions of cars that were supposedly going to become Robotaxis with a simple software update, somewhere in 2019. SIX YEARS AGO. Tesla even showed screenshots of a ride-sharing app. SIX YEARS AGO. Now it's obvious to anyone, that those cars will never become Robotaxis, as Tesla pivots to trying to fake a Roboataxi service this year, with remote operators.

But the greatest con of course, was towards investors. Of course nobody is complaining now, since the stock is still a meme stock. Just wait a bit more...

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