Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting • Hacker News Board

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by belter » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 8:34 PM UTC

sympil wrote: post #52

What is most interesting is the presence of Vance and that he started the argument. Yesterday he was with Trump and the British PM and accused the UK of being against free speech. I don’t recall VPs being active in such meetings before now. It says a lot that Vance is taking such a prominent role in areas that VPs traditionally do not publicly venture in.

'I don't really care what happens to Ukraine, one way or the other'

    - J. D. Vance - podcast interview 2022

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by analognoise » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 8:34 PM UTC

That was the most shameful thing I’ve ever seen as an American.

Where is Congress? This needs to stop; impeach Trump already!

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by mempko » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 8:34 PM UTC

This is what a falling empire looks like. America First is a project to dismantle the U.S. empire and reduce it to just another country.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by graublau » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 8:35 PM UTC

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #171

Saw it live, and was legit feeling a panic like, this is the end. Timely. Netflix has series "Turning Point: the Bomb and the Cold War" that is a good watch while the world burns.

Watching Netflix shows is a horrible way of learning about nuances of international conflicts.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by lovegrenoble » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 8:35 PM UTC

Like a misbehaving child called into the principal’s office

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by mistercheph » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 8:35 PM UTC

hayst4ck wrote: post #141

The American government has been compromised by Russia. It no longer represents American interests, but Russian interests. Whether the senior powers in America are compromised, complicit, or opportunist, it doesn't matter. America is being damaged. Russian interests are being prioritized over American interests. Our military is too powerful for direct conflict, so alternative conflict against our political structure…

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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by pjc50 » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 8:35 PM UTC

temporallobe wrote: post #164

I am an independent and Trump supporter. I generally like his shows of strength, but I didn’t like the confrontational nature of this exchange. It lacked diplomacy and respect. Trump yelling things like “you’re gambling with World War 3” was inappropriate and aggressive, especially considering he was a guest. This caused an unprecedented tension between wrokd leaders on live TV and in my opinion has the potential to…

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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by te0006 » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 8:36 PM UTC

aaroninsf wrote: post #81

This timeline is so bad, it is increasingly hard to dismiss the possibility that that is not the product of change, but rather the product of being in an absolutely shitty simulation.

or of a CERN experiment in ~2015 having had ...side effects

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by Jtsummers » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 8:36 PM UTC

matthest wrote: post #160

I don't agree with the execution, but here's what I think this is what Trump is really trying to do: Right now, it's basically the US vs Russia and China. But what Trump is betting on is that it could be the US + EU + Russia vs China. In order for this to happen though, the EU must build their own military. The EU could and should be a superpower, but they're not. Instead they're living off the US military. The US ha…

> But what Trump is betting on is that it could be the US + EU + Russia vs China.

This makes no sense when put up against reality. The US is alienating the EU, throwing Ukraine under the bus, alienating NATO (major military alliance) and Five Eyes (major intelligence alliance) just so they can bring Russia in to the fold with the US and EU? How, the US won't be partnered with the EU at this rate.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by mattmaroon » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 8:37 PM UTC

seydor wrote: post #82

It looks like the US wants a regime change in Ukraine, it's possible that this became a pre condition from russia for talks to go forward. OTOH, a minerals deal with the US ensures that the US will have a stake in defending the postwar ukraine. Lots of drama and optics involved for sure, but it seems the outcome or the talks was predetermined JdVance will not last for long - is there procedure to replace him?

Would you like to wager against JD Vance lasting the entire term?