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Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by usaar333 »

serjester wrote: post #58
zaptrem wrote: post #26

GPT 4.5 pricing is insane: Price Input: $75.00 / 1M tokens Cached input: $37.50 / 1M tokens Output: $150.00 / 1M tokens GPT 4o pricing for comparison: Price Input: $2.50 / 1M tokens Cached input: $1.25 / 1M tokens Output: $10.00 / 1M tokens It sounds like it's so expensive and the difference in usefulness is so lacking(?) they're not even gonna keep serving it in the API for long: > GPT‑4.5 is a very large and comput…

I suppose this was their final hurrah after two failed attempts at training GPT-5 with the traditional pre-training paradigm. Just confirms reasoning models are the only way forward.

For OpenAI perhaps? Sonnet 3.7 without extended thinking is quite strong. Swe-bench scores tie o3

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by moralestapia »

infinet wrote: post #112

Can it be self-hosted? Many institutions and organizations are hesitant to use AI because concerns of data leaking over chatbot. Open models, on the other hand, can be self-hosted. There is a deepseek arm race in other part of the world. Universities are racing to host their own deepseek. Hospitals, large businesses, local governments, even courts are deploying or showing interest in self-hosting deepseek.

OpenAI has never released a single model that could be self-hosted.

GPT-2? Maybe not even that one.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by beklein »

Philpax wrote: post #147
harlanlewis wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The price really is eye watering. At a glance, my first impression is this is something like Llama 3.1 405B, where the primary value may be realized in generating high quality synthetic data for training rather than direct use. I keep a little google spreadsheet with some charts to help visualize the landscape at a glance in terms of capability/price/throughput, bringing in the various index scores as they become ava…

Holy shit, that's incredible. You should publicise this more! That's a fantastic resource.

They tried a while ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40373284

Sadly little people noticed...

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by hintymad »

zaptrem wrote: post #26

GPT 4.5 pricing is insane: Price Input: $75.00 / 1M tokens Cached input: $37.50 / 1M tokens Output: $150.00 / 1M tokens GPT 4o pricing for comparison: Price Input: $2.50 / 1M tokens Cached input: $1.25 / 1M tokens Output: $10.00 / 1M tokens It sounds like it's so expensive and the difference in usefulness is so lacking(?) they're not even gonna keep serving it in the API for long: > GPT‑4.5 is a very large and comput…

> It sounds like it's so expensive and the difference in usefulness is so lacking(?) they're not even gonna keep serving it in the API for long

I guess the rationale behind this is paying for the marginal improvement. Maybe the next few percent of improvement is so important to a business that the business is willing to pay a hefty premium.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by jodrellblank »

swatcoder wrote: post #57
zaptrem wrote: post #26

GPT 4.5 pricing is insane: Price Input: $75.00 / 1M tokens Cached input: $37.50 / 1M tokens Output: $150.00 / 1M tokens GPT 4o pricing for comparison: Price Input: $2.50 / 1M tokens Cached input: $1.25 / 1M tokens Output: $10.00 / 1M tokens It sounds like it's so expensive and the difference in usefulness is so lacking(?) they're not even gonna keep serving it in the API for long: > GPT‑4.5 is a very large and comput…

> We look forward to learning more about its strengths, capabilities, and potential applications in real-world settings. If GPT‑4.5 delivers unique value for your use case, your feedback (opens in a new window) will play an important role in guiding our decision. "We don't really know what this is good for, but spent a lot of money and time making it and are under intense pressure to announce new things right now. If…

> "Early testing shows that interacting with GPT‑4.5 feels more natural. Its broader knowledge base, improved ability to follow user intent, and greater “EQ” make it useful for tasks like improving writing, programming, and solving practical problems. We also expect it to hallucinate less."

"Early testing doesn't show that it hallucinates less, but we expect that putting that sentence nearby will lead you to draw a connection there yourself".

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by pk-protect-ai »

g-mork wrote: post #56
minimaxir wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sam Altman's explanation for the restriction is a bit fluffier: https://x.com/sama/status/1895203654103351462 > bad news: it is a giant, expensive model. we really wanted to launch it to plus and pro at the same time, but we've been growing a lot and are out of GPUs. we will add tens of thousands of GPUs next week and roll it out to the plus tier then. (hundreds of thousands coming soon, and i'm pretty sure y'all wil…

release blog post author: this is definitely a research preview ceo: it's ready the pricing is probably a mixture of dealing with GPU scarcity and intentionally discouraging actual users. I can't imagine the pressure they must be under to show they are releasing and staying ahead, but Altman's tweet makes it clear they aren't really ready to sell this to the general public yet.

Yeap, that the thing, they are not ahead anymore. Not since last summer at least. Yes they have probably largest customer base, but their models are not the best for a while already.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by emptysongglass »

ur-whale wrote: post #79
zaptrem wrote: post #26

GPT 4.5 pricing is insane: Price Input: $75.00 / 1M tokens Cached input: $37.50 / 1M tokens Output: $150.00 / 1M tokens GPT 4o pricing for comparison: Price Input: $2.50 / 1M tokens Cached input: $1.25 / 1M tokens Output: $10.00 / 1M tokens It sounds like it's so expensive and the difference in usefulness is so lacking(?) they're not even gonna keep serving it in the API for long: > GPT‑4.5 is a very large and comput…

AI as it stands in 2025 is an amazing technology, but it is not a product at all . As a result, OpenAI simply does not have a business model, even if they are trying to convince the world that they do. My bet is that they're currently burning through other people's capital at an amazing rate, but that they are light-years from profitability They are also being chased by fierce competition and OpenSource which is very…

I've been a Plus user for a long time now. My opinion is there is very much a ChatGPT suite of products that come together to make for a mostly delightful experience.

Three things I use all the time:

- Canvas for proofing and editing my article drafts before publishing. This has replaced an actual human editor for me.

- Voice for all sorts of things, mostly for thinking out loud about problems or a quick question about pop culture, what something means in another language, etc. The Sol voice is so approachable for me.

- GPTs I can use for things like D&D adventure summaries I need in a certain style every time without any manual prompting.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by alyandon »

EA-3167 wrote: post #184
swatcoder wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We look forward to learning more about its strengths, capabilities, and potential applications in real-world settings. If GPT‑4.5 delivers unique value for your use case, your feedback (opens in a new window) will play an important role in guiding our decision. "We don't really know what this is good for, but spent a lot of money and time making it and are under intense pressure to announce new things right now. If…

Maybe if they build a few more data centers, they'll be able to construct their machine god. Just a few more dedicated power plants, a lake or two, a few hundred billion more and they'll crack this thing wide open. And maybe Tesla is going to deliver truly full self driving tech any day now. And Star Citizen will prove to have been worth it along along, and Bitcoin will rain from the heavens. It's very difficult to r…

  And Star Citizen will prove to have been worth it along along
Sounds like someone isn't happy with the 4.0 eternally incrementing "alpha" version release. :-D

I keep checking in on SC every 6 months or so and still see the same old bugs. What a waste of potential. Fortunately, Elite Dangerous is enough of a space game to scratch my space game itch.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by shawabawa3 »

zaptrem wrote: post #26

GPT 4.5 pricing is insane: Price Input: $75.00 / 1M tokens Cached input: $37.50 / 1M tokens Output: $150.00 / 1M tokens GPT 4o pricing for comparison: Price Input: $2.50 / 1M tokens Cached input: $1.25 / 1M tokens Output: $10.00 / 1M tokens It sounds like it's so expensive and the difference in usefulness is so lacking(?) they're not even gonna keep serving it in the API for long: > GPT‑4.5 is a very large and comput…

I wonder if the pricing is partly to discourage distillation, if they suspect r1 was distilled from gpt 4o
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