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Re: Microsoft cancels leases for AI data centers, analyst says

#192

Is the AI Bubble already popping?

Do you think Big Tech will go down when it does or will it further consolidate and centralize power?

Given how things go when past bubbles have popped, this is likely to be "both" I think. Just not all at once

When the bubble pops you see things collapse

Then it becomes a feeding frenzy as companies and IPs get bought up on the cheap by whoever has a bit of money left

When the dust clears, some old players are gone, some are still around but weaker, some new players have emerged that resemble conglomerates of the old players, but overall a lot of the previous existing power is consolidated into fewer hands

Re: Microsoft cancels leases for AI data centers, analyst says

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Is the AI Bubble already popping?

I doubt it. MS has what they need in oAI partnership. I think this is more likely just a reflection of the broader economic environment. Going into a recession, cut investment, try to retain as much talent as you can afford to for the next few years.

Re: Microsoft cancels leases for AI data centers, analyst says

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My theory:

- OpenAI and Oracle partnership: When Microsoft is 'at capacity' more demand can go to Oracle, so now Microsoft don't need to rapidly add capacity with leases (which likely have a lower ROI than Microsoft owned and operated centres).

- Longer term investments are still going ahead: Microsoft aren't cutting back on capex investment. They don't want to lease if they don't have to, but long term still see a huge market for compute that they will want to be a key supplier of.

I think Microsoft's goal here is to focus on expanding their capex to be a long term winner instead of chasing AI demand at any cost in the short term. Likely because they already think they're in a pretty strong position already.

Re: Microsoft cancels leases for AI data centers, analyst says

#195

Microsoft said they were going to spend 80 Billion on AI data centers, and they confirmed this again, so there is no 'scaling back'. Speculation: I suspect after they observed the incredible speed with which Grok was able to build out a leading edge AI infrastructure themselves in Memphis, far faster than what the traditional data-centers could offer it, Microsoft might have had an epiphany and went 'wait, why are we…

somehow, Memphis, an ancient Egypt royal center and core of a grand imperial slave state.. is such a fitting name for these developments

Ancient Egypt was neither imperial nor a slave state; though it did have slavery, most Egyptians were not slaves.

Re: Microsoft cancels leases for AI data centers, analyst says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

somehow, Memphis, an ancient Egypt royal center and core of a grand imperial slave state.. is such a fitting name for these developments

Ancient Egypt was neither imperial nor a slave state; though it did have slavery, most Egyptians were not slaves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Egypt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Egypt

Re: Microsoft cancels leases for AI data centers, analyst says

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A few things from the Dwarkesh interview with Satya: * He sees data center leases getting cheaper in near future due to everyone building * He’s investing big in AI, but in every year there needs to be a rough balance between capacity and need for capacity * He doesn’t necessarily believe in fast takeoff AGI (just yet) * Even if there is fast takeoff AGI, he thinks human messiness will slow implementation * It won’t…

> * He doesn’t necessarily believe in fast takeoff AGI (just yet)

This is so based... I would probably have given slow take off a 1% chance of happening 10 years ago, but today I'd put that somewhere like 30%.

Re: Microsoft cancels leases for AI data centers, analyst says

#199
Makes sense given what Nadella recently said:

- Self claiming some AGI milestone is "non-sensical benchmark hacking"

- The AI model race won't be winner-take-all

- The real benchmark is if the world is growing at 10%

MSFT is putting its focus on AI adoption in the app layer and "at-scale consumer properties"

Full conversation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GLSzuYXh6w

Re: Microsoft cancels leases for AI data centers, analyst says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nadella is looking for the world to grow at 10% due to AI enhancement, like it did during the industrial revolution. That seems like a low bar because it already is- it's just not equally distributed yet. My own productivity has grown far more than 10% thanks to AI, and I don't just mean in terms of dev. It reads my bloodwork results, speeds up my ability to repair a leak in my toilet tank, writes a concise "no I won…

All I hear is anecdotal statements from people claiming LLMs have made them some percent more productive. Yet few actually say how or demonstrate it. For the last year, I've tried all sorts of models both as hosted services and running locally with llama.cpp or ollama. I've used both the continue.dev vscode extension and cursor more recently. The results have been frustrating at best. The user interface of the tools…

I've been using Amazon Q Developer as it was provided and approved by my employer. It has been pretty good with Python codebases, Kubernetes configurations, and (not surprisingly) CDK/Cloudformation templates. I can pretty much just ask it "here's my python script, make everything I need to run it as a lambda, hook that lambda up to x, it should run in a vpc defined in this template over here", and it'll get all that stuff put together and its normally pretty solid code it generates. It seems to pull in a lot of the context of the project I have open. For instance, I can say "it should get those values from the outputs in other-cf-template.yml" and it knows the naming schemes and what not across templates, even if it didn't generate those templates.

I might go back and tweak some stuff, add some extra tags and what not, but often its pretty good at doing what I ask.

Sometimes its suggestions aren't what I was really wanting to do in my codebase, a handful of times it has made up methods or parameters of even well-known libraries. But usually, its suggestions are better than a basic IntelliSense-style autocomplete at least in my experiences.

I haven't used many of the other developer assistant plugins like say GitHub Copilot. I couldn't really say which is better or worse. But I do think using Q Developer has made me faster in many tasks.

I wouldn't expect a tool that doesn't have access to the context of my editor and the files I have open to be very useful for actually coding. There's a lot of context to understand in even a basic application. If you're just asking a locally running app in ollama "give me a method to do x", don't be surprised if it doesn't know everything else happening in your app. Maybe it'll give you a halfway decent example of doing something, but devoid of how it actually plugs in to whatever you're making it might be entirely worthless.

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