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Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by butifnot0701 »

lionkor wrote: post #144

I don't understand how and why Grok would be related to "understanding the nature of the universe", as Musk puts it. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but they basically just burned more cash than any human should have to buy Nvidia GPUs and make them predict natural language, right? So, they are somewhat on-par with all the other companies that did the same. This is not innovation, this is baseless hype over a mediocr…

I feel like that's part of what Elon is flexing. Teslabot was late comer compared to competitors like BD.

Elon is showing off he can marshal enough resources and talents to be on par (kinda) with state of the art products in crazy time. That's been most of his superpower so far - not breakthrough tech that didnt exist before. We've had rockets before.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by sanswork »

phtrivier wrote: post #169

Off topic, but just in case: is there a good reference on how people actually use LLMs on a daily basis ? All my attempts so far have been pretty underwhelming: * when I use chatbots as search engines, I'm very quickly disappointed by obvious hallucinations * I ended up disabling github copilot because it was just "auto-complete on steroids" at best, and "auto-complete on mushrooms" at worst * I rarely have use cases…

Autocomplete on steroids is what I use it for. I've recently started using Cursor and the productivity improvements have been huge. I won't let it write very large blocks of code but I do a lot of web stuff so being able to update the classes in one spot and have it recognise all the other places that might be helpful and let me just tab through. Code to test things it's pretty good at as well which also saves a lot of typing.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by ks2048 »

frabcus wrote: post #102
raverbashing wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better a downloadable blob than a non-downloadable one

No, it's not, as it means nobody is pushing for actually open models. A truly open model has open code that gathers pre-training data, open pre-training data, open RLHF data, open RLAIF data generated from its open constitution and so on. The binary blob is the last thing I'd want - as a heavy user of LLMs I'm actually more interested in the detail of what all training data is in full, than I am the binary blob.

Here's a real open one: https://allenai.org/olmo

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by boxed »

kubb wrote: post #180
lionkor wrote: post #144

I don't understand how and why Grok would be related to "understanding the nature of the universe", as Musk puts it. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but they basically just burned more cash than any human should have to buy Nvidia GPUs and make them predict natural language, right? So, they are somewhat on-par with all the other companies that did the same. This is not innovation, this is baseless hype over a mediocr…

You don’t understand the Musk business model. It has been the same for years. His wealth doesn’t come from his products, but from his fanbase buying his stock. The purpose of everything he does is to influence the public opinion to make him the tech genius of today in the collective psyche. Of course, he needs to do impressive things, stuff that a normal person wouldn’t have the resources to achieve. It’s similar to…

> His profits don’t come from his products, but from his fanbase buying his stock.

SpaceX is private, Starlink makes real money from real users.

> Everything he does is done to influence the public opinion to make him the tech genius of today in the collective psyche.

Well that's clearly not right. He's doing a lot of things to make himself seem like a total tool that we should all boycott no matter how good the products are. If he actually did what you say, he wouldn't be burning all these bridges.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by DHolzer »

lionkor wrote: post #144

I don't understand how and why Grok would be related to "understanding the nature of the universe", as Musk puts it. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but they basically just burned more cash than any human should have to buy Nvidia GPUs and make them predict natural language, right? So, they are somewhat on-par with all the other companies that did the same. This is not innovation, this is baseless hype over a mediocr…

I work in AI and love the technology. But all the hype and grandiose claims make it awkward when people ask what I do, and it makes hiring harder when experienced developers hear 'AI development' and walk away - even though it's mostly just solid full-stack engineering work.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by bambax »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #161
albertzeyer wrote: post #130

https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/elon-musks-terrifying-visi... I'm not sure if this was a very bad joke by Elon, or if Grok 3 is really biased like that.

I am not sure why people pay attention to Gary Marcus. He isn’t an expert in AI. And if you followed him in the past at all, it is obvious he has a huge amount of political bias. It is really telling that he repeatedly goes after Elon Musk, and is now making bizarre unfounded claims about propaganda, but didn’t have nearly as much to complain about with DeepSeek, which has literal government propaganda.

DeepSeek is an open model that can be "untrained" to be uncensored; Grok to the best of my knowledge isn't [0]. So it's much worse.

[0]: What Musk has said is that when Grok 3 is "ready" (?), the previous model, Grok 2, will be released as open source; like most promises by this evil man, this one probably doesn't mean much, but it does mean that there's currently no plan to release Grok 3.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by 7bit »

lionkor wrote: post #144

I don't understand how and why Grok would be related to "understanding the nature of the universe", as Musk puts it. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but they basically just burned more cash than any human should have to buy Nvidia GPUs and make them predict natural language, right? So, they are somewhat on-par with all the other companies that did the same. This is not innovation, this is baseless hype over a mediocr…

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Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by int_19h »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #161
albertzeyer wrote: post #130

https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/elon-musks-terrifying-visi... I'm not sure if this was a very bad joke by Elon, or if Grok 3 is really biased like that.

I am not sure why people pay attention to Gary Marcus. He isn’t an expert in AI. And if you followed him in the past at all, it is obvious he has a huge amount of political bias. It is really telling that he repeatedly goes after Elon Musk, and is now making bizarre unfounded claims about propaganda, but didn’t have nearly as much to complain about with DeepSeek, which has literal government propaganda.

He is referencing a specific tweet that Musk himself made.

If I were in China, I'd worry about the kind of things DeepSeek wants to censor, especially if the people who made it were also very loudly saying things like "we need more AI in our government". But I live in US.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by tallanvor »

phtrivier wrote: post #169

Off topic, but just in case: is there a good reference on how people actually use LLMs on a daily basis ? All my attempts so far have been pretty underwhelming: * when I use chatbots as search engines, I'm very quickly disappointed by obvious hallucinations * I ended up disabling github copilot because it was just "auto-complete on steroids" at best, and "auto-complete on mushrooms" at worst * I rarely have use cases…

Honestly, the main thing I've found ChatGPT to be useful for in my daily life is helping to translate what I write from my native language to the language spoken by most of the people where I live. But even then it only really works if you have at least a basic understanding of the language and can ask it to rewrite sections when you recognize poor word choices or awkward phrasing.
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